What is a "mini-nuke"? Could you explain it in your own words if asked too?
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What does that mean, is what I asked you. What is a miniaturized nuclear warhead, breh?
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How low is "low", though? There are to my knowledge at least ten real life yields of nuclear weapons.
Which brings me to my point. People always go so balls deep over the Liberty Prime mini-nuke thing, but they don't understand how nuclear weaponry works. "Mini" literally means "smaller than the average". But there is no average yield for nuclear weapons, so how can you have a "mini" nuke compared to a "regular" nuke? You can't.
There's no such thing as a mini-nuke, there is only nuclear and non-nuclear, and just because something is nuclear does not mean that it automatically has a certain intensity.
Meaning, "Liberty Prime tanked a mini-nuke!" is a meaningless statement, and is not an indication of its durability in any way, shape, or form.
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A mini nuke is basically the most powerful explosion you'll get from a weapon found in the Fallout universe. There are few explosives that have more power that are available to either side of this fight. So it IS a good representation. NCR can throw whatever they want at it, it's not going to stop it.
That doesn't really have anything to do with what I said.
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No? I thought your point was that Liberty Prime tanking mini nukes has no bearing on the debate, because there is no way to gauge the power of a mini nuke.
My point was that there is no such thing as a mini-nuke and being hit by a nuclear explosion in as of itself is not indicative of any durability limits. The fact that the mini-nuke in FA3 is the strongest weapon in the game has no bearing on that.
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Can you show me a mini-nuke in the game? I am aware of a weapon that is called a mini-nuke, but I have not see an actual mini-nuke.
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The very fact that your trying to compare a known miniature nuclear weapon fired from a MANPAD to a full scale actual Fatman (IE: like the one in Megaton) is silly. Nobody here ever said that even the Experimental MIRV compares to the Megaton bomb.
Your comparing several dozen tonnes of TNT sized blasts (For the Mini-Nuke) to a full scale Nuke detonation (25 Megatonnes at the very least).
Are you going to educate us on how nuclear weaponry works in Fallout now? because it seems to me that your trying to apply a real world context to it. There is none. Fallout is a fantasy, with fantasy weapons.
Thermonuclear detonation, no matter the size, has a flashpoint of tens of thousands of degrees, about as much as the surface temperatures of some stars. it is this factor plus the shockwave that does most of the bombs damage. The radiation is an aftereffect. Now obviously, the bigger the detonation, the larger area the flashpoint covers and the larger the shockwave. However, that doesn't explain Liberty Prime's ability to shrug off direct hits by these mini-bombs, he'd be right inside the flashpoint, and yet, nothing. This also says something for direct missile hits, countless laser and plasma shots harmlessly plinking off him.
Already explained. A smaller nuclear detonation is still a nuclear detonation. And again; nobody said he could tank an actual full scaled nuclear blast, given what DID eventually down him had the same effect on Megaton as what a full scaled nuke did.
Oh? so tanking a weapon that has set limits and feats is suddenly inadmissable because you cant figure out how it works? Wierd.... And I thought it was because "He didn't tank mini-nukes" a few posts ago...
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Here are the Mini-Nuke and the Fatman Launcher that fires them.
And this is how the weapon is used in-game.
Only we never see the destruction of Boulder City, and so trying to draw up a comparative is utterly meaningless. Especially considering what eventually destroyed Prime had the power to destroy Megaton in a fasion only a full scale Nuclear Blast could match. It leveled the Citadel to an extent unmached by anything else in the game, and it mission killed the Base Crawler. Hell man, the Bradley-Hercules Sat Missiles make ARCHIMEDES look like shit, considering the Satelite Laser didn't even damage the Solar Panels when it was set on automatic to level the NCR at Helios One.
Which are effectively featless exept for shooting down Bombs and Missiles something today's tech is capable of doing.
I'll be waiting.
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I never said it did or didn't, that's inconsequential to my point.
I'm not making any comparisons at all.
So? That doesn't mean that I'm wrong.
Absolutely.
I needn't go any further, since you agree with me then, I guess.
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You said you can't find a real world equivalent, or can explain the weapon, therefore it's invalid.
But you did, you made the comparison on the basis that the Mini-Nuke does not jack up to Megatonne yields like a real nuke would and therefore it's featless against Liberty Prime, despite the fact that even though the Fatman is nowhere near real nuke yields, it is by far the strongets weapon available to the player (And NPCs by extension). The entire point of that feat was to demonstrate that even if the NCR was better equipped, it wouldn't mean anything against Prime.
In the context of the debate? Yes it is. You cannot apply physics to something that does not exist, is not testable, falsifiable and makes no predictions. That makes the fatman Launcher and it's ammo Science Fiction, not Scientific Theory.
If you agree, then what was your point?
Again, why would you downplay a feat if you agree with the specifics? The entire premise was that Prime withstands Mini-Nukes, not full scale ones. And Mini-Nukes being the absolute best that the NCR can throw at him?
Now, I understand that you had a issue with some people reveling in the fact that rime withstands mini-nukes, and whoever they where, pretty mch used that feat to make him an invincible machine-god on par with the likes of Optimus Prime and the Night Bringer, but that issue had nothing to do with me, and have seen far better feats in other media.
Now that the New Vegas DLC is done, I feel I should bump this, just to point out that, thanks to The Courier having Big MT at his back and call, the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood can kiss its technological advantages goodbye.
And that The Courier would hand The Lone Wanderer his ass to him on a silver platter.
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