KMC Forums - X-Man and Vulcan vs Asgard!!

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]When has Black Bolt's power been described as matter manipulation? That's something you'd get from a character like Sersi. He has the ability to manipulate ambient electrons around him which gives him his ability to amp, fly etc. It's the reason his voice is so destructive. This ability also gives him the power to manipulate matter and energy.

His power set in of itself is not considered matter manipulation by writers. At least not in the sense we're talking about. Every time an opponent withstands a blast of his energy, I don't consider that a feat of resisting matter manipulation.

controlling electrons is manipulating matter. when he makes electrons in people's bodies collide that is matter manipulation

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He trumped Black Bolt's powers with his own energy manipulation. Seriously, all they were did was toss energy at each other. Concession accepted.

Well i conceded nothing and he repaired himself after his own mass had been screwed by BB's power

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Lulz.

All Warlock did was throw energy that happened to be mystical at Vulcan as far as I recall. That would be different than tossing a spell I'd wager. And Enchantress isn't an energy being in the sense Warlock was in that issue. I'm guessing it's because his a quantum magician or whatever that means.

yes exaclty that. he operated on a more impressive scale as he controlled that quanta of energy that made magic up. a spell would just be magical energy.

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And could just as easily be put back up. Enchantress withstood attacks from a raging Hela equipped with the Twilight Sword. That right there is more power than Vulcan could even hope for in his wet dreams.

Then it's pretty great that what you say is not in of itself evidence.

meh you think too much of the norse gods.

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Prove it. His greatest feat is transmuting a planet sized object. Impressive. Transmuting Thor is more impressive.

lulz

and no there is nothing to prove, GoG made it clear he was a trans level being while she is a mid, maybe a high herald. nova prime was a bug compare to him, it would have taken a cosmic cube blast to take him out while weakened so he didn't conquer a crap load of realities (which he did in divergent timelines), his actions warped the timeline itself rewriting the past, he pulled an alternate universe to stabilize the fault that would have ripped the multiverse apart and controlled magic at its most fundamental level. sure, it was a cheap win that vulcan got against him thanks to the nature of their powers and Magus could likely take him down through indirect means or if he was aware of vulcan's powers, but it still happened and shows how much juice he can handle.

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Havok was dipped into a f*cking star. That's about it. With your line of thinking you could argue that he was more powerful than Odin because we don't know his limitations. Silly logic is silly. Amora has created spells to ward off the effects of the World Tree. Crazy amount of power.

so what? SM sundips into a star and comes out far more powerfull than your post would imply.

If you want to claim she is stronger than sundipped havok you'd have to compare thei levels and the only feat he has is taking vulcan down. the odin example has no bearing on this because we know how far above the herald class he is and that he'd crush vulcan with even more ease, but amora isn't above the herald class.

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Oh yea, why? Lulz. Enchantress actually stood her ground for a bit, and IIRC, temporarily knocked Hela out with the teleportation spell.

thanos stood his ground for a bit too. the BFR was a good showing for her and it might work on vulcan, but it might not. as far as his own exotic attacks go, shutting her synapses - which as I understand asgardians have - down would help.