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Kratos is a sadistic, brutal, monster who's crossed the moral event horizon more times in three games than Ganondorf has in all of his combined, there is no way he can touch it.
Also, the human race has always known stabbing people hurts and is kind of a dick move. Even if they didn't, why would not being considerate enough to stop and realise "Hey, I'm revelling in the blood shed of human beings with families, 88D" excuse him from doing exactly that. Cause at the time no one sat down and told him it was rude? Nawh, man. Nawh.
Edit: And, keep in mind, it's the sword itself that makes the judgement on it's own ethics, not the ethics of Kratos' world. I'm sorry but he simply will be unable to touch it, and therefore beat the game.
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Why can't he touch it? The "only good can wield it" thing sounds like a simple plot device to me, and unless you can provide some kind of consequence for what happened if he tried, then "Kratos can't touch it because the game says evil can't touch it" doesn't fly, brosky.
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I am with Blax, by the looks of it this evils bane and evil cannot touch it stuff is a no limits fallacy based on presented information. Also I dont think Kratos is really "evil".
Also he does not need the sword. He can probably clear with just his hands in most situations.
Kay, first off, Kratos ain't evil, we know that much. It's just that his personality is meant to be believable and realistic based on the brutal times he lives in and the kinds of beasts he routinely kills.
Killing people doesn't automatically make you evil. In all wars there will be casualties. Simply the way it is. His spartan culture breed and raised him to be nothing but a killing machine. He doesn't think the way you do and probably wouldn't last much if he did.
Kratos is brave, heroic at times and loyal. He was loyal to ares and he betrayed him, loyal to gods and they betrayed him , loyal to the Titans and they betrayed him aswell. I would be eternally pissed too. Does link have his own brothers and fathers trying to kill him? Ever been tricked into slaughtering his own family? That would drive any man insane.
That seems pretty arbitrary of the MS btw.
Kratos can probably drag the MS around and fight ganondorf, hold him down and let zelda stab him. And then has a threesome with zelda and human midna.
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He can't drag it around because he legitimately cannot touch it. "Kratos sometimes displays some not-so bad personality traits" does not excuse him from all the incredibly douchetastic things he does, nor does it change the fact that judgement is in the sword's hand. Kratos IS evil, and I have debated this point millions of times. There's no consequence because it can't be done. As for what the game says, Kratos would simply be unable to touch it. Yes, it does fly because Kratos doesn't have feats of "changing the sword's mind", and his only skills seem to involve actually touching things.
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I have not played Chains of Olympus but I dont recall Kratos doing anything evil, being a douchebag is not being evil, not that Kratos has been so without good cause. I want to know what people refer to when they call Kratos "evil"...
Yeah, except Kratos is isn't "evil". Is he the perfect mary sue? No. Does his world allow him to see the world in black and white? Nope. Is he angry? Yes. Evil? Not in any sense of the word. The only person that I recall him being an absolute douche to is Poseidon. One god does not change the fact the he saved greece from a persian invasion, gave up his daughter save the entire world of people and gods that hate him from collapsing, and freeing the entire human species from a race of tyrants and giving them the means to fend for themselves.
Nothing will happen if Kratos touches the sword unless you can prove it. Ganondorf is considered evil by zelda standards yet he could lock swords with link and the MS and take several shots just fine. Why wouldn't Kratos be able to drag the cement block around the sword?
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If there's no consequences then what's stopping it from being done? Every action has some kind of effect, or consequence. If it doesn't then it's not an action, meaning there's nothing stopping Kratos from touching the sword.
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Last edited by Tzeentch on Jan 11th, 2011 at 09:34 PM
I'm assuming in the TP verse, the only way of killing off ganon for good is by using the master sword. Normally we ignore that but in this particular thread it does count. It's only fair.
I see, I was going to call no limits fallacy but if by your rules you want the Master sword ot play a part then thats fine. I assume Kratos has to defeat Ganon in similiar ways to link as well? e.g. burying him under tonnes of rock and defeating him that way would not be enough for Kratos to pass this threads challenge?
I'm pretty sure Kratos is within the world of TP, and is therefore susceptible to everything you two don't like about it. Including not being able to touch the Master Sword.
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Good question, and tbh, I do not know. The sword is stopping him from touching it. It has a rape whistle and pepper spray.
So he served in the military, and made the obvious decision, these are two good deeds FAR outweighed by his own bad deeds, and his general brutality and malice, how isn't he evil? Killing innocents, waging pointless wars, excessive cruelty and brutality? Kratos is the very definition of evil. Ganondorf is labelled by the sword as evil, Kratos certainly would be.
You seem to cite Kratos' backstory as an excuse. Excuse =/= handwaving away his actions. Ganon's original motivation? Living in the desert sucks, his people are dying. This is what made him bitter and jealous, and how he became a villain. He's a much more human character than Kratos, and still recognised as evil by the sword. Very evil. Commiting genocide's not okay, excuses be damned.
Nothing will happen because, as proven by Scenario's videos, Kratos cannot touch it. He falls under the sword's repellant spectrum. Link using the sword as a sword does not invalidate this. It's a sword. And without it, Kratos cannot beat Ganondorf, or even harm him. /Shrug. This screws him. As does the twilight, intangibility, and the fact he'll probably kill Midna, screwing himself out of access to the twilight realm even if he does find some form of protection.
What would need to be proven is that Kratos is either not evil, which can't be considering the wide scope of brutal and cruel actions he commits, or for him to be able to overpower the sword itself, which according to aLttP is a relic on scale in power with the fully assembed triforce. IE, Kratos wouldn't be able to overpower it, and even if he could, he could not force it to obey him and smite Ganondorf.
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Cause at the time no one sat down and told him it was rude? 
Nawh, man. Nawh.
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