You reference characters being written down from decades past, yet you mention Odin busting Galaxies; Odin never accomplished such a feat before or after that event with Seth...
In addition, during the IG saga, the writter made it clear what he (and this was approved by Marvel evidently) thought of the Skyfathers and true cosmics; The Skyfathers were landlocked in Asgard and unable to attend the battle with Thanos while the Celestials werent stopped in similar fashion...
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But he did bust galaxies before his fight with Seth. It's in his respect thread.
Regarding the Skyfathers being stranded in Asgard during the IG saga, if that's all we saw of them and they had no other feats, I'd agree. But the Seth/Amnesiac Odin fight took place after that and it was a multiverse rocker.
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Neither has Tiamut. When has any of those things happened to Tiamut? Arishem was getting abused by Tiamut until the entire host jumped in. Galactus raped Thanos while Tyrant got worked by the Titan. Lol. Tiamut mere awakening put Galactus in fear. You put three stooges up against Tiamut and think they stand a chance? Tiamut has only lost against the enitre host so try again.
So now tyrant is more powerful than Set? Lol. And Tiamut was asleep and vulnerable so what's your point. Galactus didn't give a damn about Tiamut until
he had awakened. Do you comprehend your argument? That's like saying Gaea Isn't afraid of Set when he's stuck in his Dimension. He was so powerful that the other Celestials put him to sleep. Lol at a sleeping Tiamut being the equal of an awakened Tiamut that Galactus took notice and fear.
Gaea wouldn't even dare challenge the Celestials when the entire earth patheon fought futily. But Tyrant and his crew are going to beat Tiamut?
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Why would a sleeping Celestial fear a mere Elder God? What would Set have to do with him? They've never encountered each other and how would Set even know who Tiamut is (let alone where Tiamut is imprisoned). But Tiamut knew of Set and trembled.
Gaea wouldn't dare to challenge them because the way they were written during that arc, they were unbeatable. But we've seen how far they've fallen. Meta tier, high herald tier, and low trans tier beings are causing real damage to them or outright killing them.
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he shudder because he knew of Set's power. Why wouldn't he know of the elder gods when the celestials are the explorers of the universe and seeded of mutantions? They are as old as the watchers and far more advanced. Not to mention Tiamut has a degree of cosmic awareness. And Tiamut was so weak that a deviant stole his power.
As for your none sense about About metas, no of those apply to Tiamut. It's like saying since Odin is an asgardian he would lose to hulk since Thor has. Furthermore, tiamuts appearance in eternals was after those low celestial showings as well. Tiamut didn't bother And still k.o.Ed Thena when she attack his feet in Hercules. Most books you reference are in the 90s and before. Tiamut's showings are in 2000+ so I don't vet where this argument is coming from that the Celetials, ESP Tiamut got a downgrade.
The Elder Gods were on Earth (and gone) billions of years before the Celestials stepped foot there. It was only after the age of dinosaurs when they showed up and began experimenting on the ape-men they found. Tiamut wasn't even in the First Host, he was part of the Second Host that came even later than that.
Regarding Ghaur stealing Tiamut's power : It wasn't that he was so weak that Ghaur stole his power, the story was more involved than that. It culminates with Ghaur gaining Tiamut's power then Tiamut taking control of Ghaur and forcing him to dig him out, the Eternals form a Uni-Mind and psi-blast Ghaur to death.
What showings do Celestials have 2000+ that make them something special? The only one that comes to mind is them holding off the Galactus Engine with T/A and Galactus. But right before it all goes down hill they are nowhere to be found and it's Galactus by himself holding the Engine off (stated on panel by the SS too).
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
Oh right, it's not like cosmic beings that are more advanced than the Watchers would be able to transcend time or mind read the life on Earth for clues, life like the Serpent Men and the demons spawns of Chthon. Time manipulation and telepathy are only limited to lower life forms that the Celestials created. Yup!
Tiamut was still weak enough for Ghaur to steal it's power. Ghaur is leagues below an Elder God like Set. Tiamut was weak enough that an Elder God made him shudder. How is this so hard to understand? A sleeping Tiamut is lesser in power than an awakened Tiamut.
WTF does the Galactus and the GE have another to do with this? Nobody on Tyrants time is a match for Galactus. Tyrant couldn't even handle Thanos right. Except for exploiting Galactus' weakness, Tyrant wouldn't do shit to guys like Tenebrous and Arishem.
Aside from consuming the Deviants like they were "caviar"? And create top tiers like Sersi, Ikaris, Ajak, and skyfather beings like Zuras?
Lets skip this Celestial business because Tiamut is in this fight, not any Celestial. You're skirting the issue again.
- Tiamut caused the universe and Galactus to shudder in fear and a Watcher to avert his gaze
- One shot koed uni-mind of Zuras, Ikaras, Thena, Druig, & Ajak. Zuras is Zeus equal in the past.
- One-shot Thena with her own attack without even bother to try. Simply reflect of his body.
Tyrant failed to put Thanos down and took several shots to put down Surfer. Tiamut one-shotted the combined form of the Eternals that included Zuras. Tyrant can't do a damn thing to Tiamut at all. His allies bring nothing to this at all.
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Some of that is hyperbole, I mean Thanos claimed Tyrant and Galactus destroyed entire galaxies in their battle but we saw no on panel proof. Galactus told the Surfer he chickened out of a fight with Tryant because the damage to the universe would be unthinkable (or something to that effect), yet when they fought nothing happened.
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Tiamut never encountered the Serpent Men that was the First Host. He didn't come around till MUCH later. Even then there was no on panel proof he knew of them when the Second Host arrived and began experimenting.
The Eternals were just coming out of their collective amnesia it's not exactly an 'awesome' feat that he undid their Uni-Mind.
Thanos had 6 issues of prep called "Cosmic Powers" where he basically got all the info he could on Tyrant and set out to confront him. He made a beeline to Terrax who informed him that the Orbs were both his greatest asset and largest vulnerability if used against him. Then what does Thanos do? Gets his hands on an Orb and challenges Tyrant. Even then he wound up RUNNING when Tryant was about to get serious. It's right there on panel.
Tyrant HAS one shotted Surfer. It's in his respect thread.
Regarding T/A, Galactus took them on PLUS Diableri and killed Diableri and imprisoned T/A/and Antiphon. A Fed and prepped Galactus got PUNKED then killed by Tyrant. T/A attacked Galactus by suprise as he was about to feed on a planet! Not the same thing now is it? The Surfer even mentioned that through the rapport they shared he could sense Galactus' fear!
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WTF is hyperbole about Galactus himself fearing Tiamut? So the K.O.ing a unison of Eternals is hyperbole too? You some how think Tyrant is a universal power when he couldn't take down Thanos and took several shots to beat Surfer. Then claim Tiamut's feats are hyperbole when Tiamut out right beat down Arishem and was locked away by the combined might of the entire host? lol
What part of SOME OF THAT is hyperbole don't you get? The first scan is for sure.
Tyrant is a 'universal' power because he's connected and draws power from EVERY PLANET In the Universe. This was stated both by him AND Galactus. It's not like I'm making this crap up.
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LMAO. So Celestials, researchers of the universe, don't communicate with one another and share their research even though that's what they do. Oh there's proof, he knew of Set. Duh!
WTF? Since when does amnesia limit their powers and durability? For people with amnesia they sure remember how to form the uni-mind instantly. One-shot k.o.! How is it not awesome when the previous uni-mind was k.o.ed in one-shot by lesser Celestials? Here I thought amnesia meant lost of memory, but I guess it means power and durability according to you. Lol.
?Tyrant was having trouble with Surfer and crew. That orb argument has been done to death. Some say it gave Thanos a boost others argued it didn't. None of that changes that fact that Tyrant couldn't one-shot Surfer and crew like Odin does numerous times against top tiers and heralds alike. Tyrant was knocked around by Terrax and Ganymede. Even his eyes beams could only daze Gladiator. Odin one-shot Surfer, Drax, Annihilus, Ulik. The same Odin that had back up and failed to even harm Arishem. The same Arishem that got beaten down by Tiamut.
Lol. After he'd drain their powers for a while. Then couldn't even put down Jack Of Hearts in one shot at all. JOH freed the others. And you do know one-shot means putting an opponent down and out of a fight right? He merely blasted Surfer back and you see Surfer back in action taking out drones two pages later aiding Ganymede. In that page between that, Tyrant attacks Bill and Gladiator and fails to one-shot both. If you bothered to count from the actual books and not just scans, it Tyrant took 3 shots against each Bill, Surfer, and Gladiator to subdue them. There were never any one-shot K.O.s for any of them. And all of them were fought him in their weakened state.
Where's this one-shot you're telling me?
You do remember when Galactus one-shot Bill and Stardust with a clap? That's a one-shot. What Odin did was a one-shot. What Tyrant did was 3 shot people who he drained of power.
Feed on a planet? Where does it say he was feeding on that planet again? They were Galactus' equal and nowhere was it mentioned that Galactus was weakened or feeding on a planet.
So on panel Galactus killed Diableri in right? You say that or was it just narration with no explanation of how Diableri was slain? Because Tenebrous gave Galactus a fight and stalemated him. Galactus on panel couldn't take out Tenebrous head on. How's Tyrant going to be Tenebrous? Feed on Tenebrous' biosphere powers that he doesn't use?
Wait, so Galactus was killed by Tyrant? Scans? Here I thought Tyrant was exploiting a weakness. lol.
So again, what's Tyrant going to do to Tiamut? Tiamut steps on Tyrant.
Lol, you say some of that without specifying anything then whine when I criticize you?
Tyrant is universal power because he's connected to every planet in the universe? So if he's universal in power then how come it took him 3 tries to down each herald level character that was already depleted of power? Tiamut downs a unison of 4 heralds & 1 skyfather level in one-shot. I guess that makes Tiamut multiversal in power then. This is fun. Tiamut stomps Tyrant.
You love to ramble on. There is NO proof that Tiamut knew of Set or encountered any of Set's spawn on panel PERIOD. If you got proof post it, I don't want to here your "just so" stories.
Here is Tyrant casually swatting Surfer and Ganymede : (please log in to view the image)
The only reason they are alive is because he drains all his victims. Yet Surfer took repeated hits from T/A and didn't go down. T/A couldn't put down the freaking Surfer and there was TWO of them.
On panel Galactus told Surfer "Diableri died by my hand" and that he imprisoned his lieutenants (T/A) and Antiphon in the Kyln. DP Tyrant punked Galactus and Galactus made the excuse to Surfer that the universe would suffer too much collateral damage if he confronted him. On panel we have Galactus on a world totally unprepared for T/A and he was still holding his own till Aegis cheapshotted him from behind. Galactus was in FEAR of Tyrant, the Surfer even said so on panel. Galactus prepped and fed on a world that he said made him feel more powerful than he has in ages and he STILL lost to Tyrant.
The "Orb" argument has ON PANEL PROOF that Terrax told Thanos that they were his biggest asset and largest vulnerability if used against him. I can provide you the on panel proof (it's in his respect thread), but what's the point?
So you have Tiamut ganking Eternals that just came out of an amnesiac state and what else? Oh that's right........
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He didn't one-shot k.o. Surfer in this scan at all either. He failed miserably when they escaped. He didn't one-shot herald level at all.
Lol. Tyrant exploited a weakness so Galactus would only power him up with attacks. Stop playing it up like Tyrant would take an attack from Tiamut the same way. This is the same Tyrant that take 3 tries to take down heralds. Universal in power? lol
So Bill, JOH, Gladiator, and Surfer were holding orbs?
Oh snap, because Celestials have never beaten down the Uni-Mind without amnesia involved. Oh wait.... (please log in to view the image)
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