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I don't know about current Superman, but pre-retcon Superman murder Bob.


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Are there any other examples? Pretty sure this one wasnt meant to be intangibilty, just weird art.


Weird art? The bullets are going straight through him - it should be obvious.
Unfortunately it's the only picture and unfortunately Sentry is a character who has a lot of powers, he only displayed once.
For example the invisibility. He never did it, but it's a fact that he can do it. He healed once, he resurrected once, he manipulated molecules once, he used heat vision once, he redirected energy once and so on.

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1.) Superman
2.) Superman 1 Million
3.) Superman Prime


Pretty much.


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Sentry would take out Superman if he's busting out his power of a million explodin suns. I just don't see Superman fighting like an animated punching bag like Sentry and still beating the WWH out of WWH (even if WWH was holding back).


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Sentry would take out Superman if he's busting out his power of a million explodin suns. I just don't see Superman fighting like an animated punching bag like Sentry and still beating the WWH out of WWH (even if WWH was holding back).


That was a weaaaaaaaaak Sentry version! ò_Ó

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Sentry would take out Superman if he's busting out his power of a million explodin suns. I just don't see Superman fighting like an animated punching bag like Sentry and still beating the WWH out of WWH (even if WWH was holding back).

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Even Hercules was downed in what 3 punches? Talking while being hammered in the face multiple times by the strongest Hulk yet was an amazing durability feat and yet it is still somehow downplayed.

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^ Yeah well, per forum rules we're not allowed to use Sentry when he gained awareness of his molecular manipulation abilities.


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^ Yeah well, per forum rules we're not allowed to use Sentry when he gained awareness of his molecular manipulation abilities.


That was not exactly my point:

1. Sentry had matter manipulation / also offensive matter manipulation, before Bendis came up with it. Bendis just made it clear and gave it a power, it got introduced by Jenkins, Sentry's creator.

2. This forum wants to separate the Siege Sentry and other versions, while ignoring facts. I'm not pointing my finger at people, I'm just stating that people actually have to understand the entire Sentry character before lowballing, or even overhyping him.

3. The Siege Sentry didn't use molecular manipulation and neither did the WW Sentry. They brawled it out and had pretty much the upper hand in their fights.

My point was just that Sentry's powerlevel during WW Hulk was low and that he is actually capable of a lot more.

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Weird art? The bullets are going straight through him - it should be obvious.
Unfortunately it's the only picture and unfortunately Sentry is a character who has a lot of powers, he only displayed once.
For example the invisibility. He never did it, but it's a fact that he can do it. He healed once, he resurrected once, he manipulated molecules once, he used heat vision once, he redirected energy once and so on.
I am aware of his powers, read most of his appearances. And its not hard to believe that he can go intangible concidering he can manipulate molecules. But I doubt that this particular scene was meant to be a display of that ability. It was a flashback of an old weaker Sentry. And one would expect that when a new power is introduced there would at least be a comment or a narration. In this case it sems like an artist's mistake.


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I am aware of his powers, read most of his appearances. And its not hard to believe that he can go intangible concidering he can manipulate molecules. But I doubt that this particular scene was meant to be a display of that ability. It was a flashback of an old weaker Sentry. And one would expect that when a new power is introduced there would at least be a comment or a narration. In this case it sems like an artist's mistake.


It wasn't a flashback, it was the past, where Sentry, Iron Man and Dr. Doom saw Sentry fighting the Void.
It's a pity that it wasn't narrated, but would it really be that unbelievable that he phases, to avoid ricochets, which could harm bystanders? In my opinion, not really.

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It wasn't a flashback, it was the past, where Sentry, Iron Man and Dr. Doom saw Sentry fighting the Void.
It's a pity that it wasn't narrated, but would it really be that unbelievable that he phases, to avoid ricochets, which could harm bystanders? In my opinion, not really.
I agree, it is believable for him to have the ability. It's just this would be a very random way do display a new power.


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I agree, it is believable for him to have the ability. It's just this would be a very random way do display a new power.


Unfortunately yeah ... But it wouldn't be the first time. Let me think ...

Super-Hearing: he can hear a butterfly sneeze in Africa while standing in New York
Invisibility: Absorbing Man absorbed Sentry's power and used it to hide from the Sentry
Aura-Detection: Used it to find Noah-Varr
Heat-Vision: He destroyed hand cuffs

The aura detection was a smart showing, but there were too many showings he didn't display later on in a smart way to have the upper hand in fights and that's kinda pesky. With his potential, no one would be able to defeat him, if they're not powerful reality warpers.

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Sentry would take out Superman if he's busting out his power of a million explodin suns. I just don't see Superman fighting like an animated punching bag like Sentry and still beating the WWH out of WWH (even if WWH was holding back).


Did he ever actually release power akin to even one exploding sun?

I don't think Superman could have triggered WWH reverting to Banner, but I do think he could have beaten him. By no means would it be easy for Kal, obviously.


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Did he ever actually release power akin to even one exploding sun?

I don't think Superman could have triggered WWH reverting to Banner, but I do think he could have beaten him. By no means would it be easy for Kal, obviously.


Maybe they were very tiny suns....

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Sentry does not have the power of one million exploding suns (yet). I would call it a reference to something what happened in his first mini, but that would be just an assumption.

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Sentry does not have the power of one million exploding suns (yet). I would call it a reference to something what happened in his first mini, but that would be just an assumption.


I don't think he ever had anything close to that amount of power. Its just hyperbole, like Daredevil as 'The Man Without Fear'...

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One exploding sun is a pretty cosmic event and would destroy a solar system.

Millions of exploding suns? The level of power and destruction that would entail is staggering and, frankly, beyond anything the Sentry or the Void has ever displayed.


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One exploding sun is a pretty cosmic event and would destroy a solar system.

Millions of exploding suns? The level of power and destruction that would entail is staggering and, frankly, beyond anything the Sentry or the Void has ever displayed.


Let me explain that to you. If you're really interesting in understanding it, feel free to read it:

One Million Exploding suns is indeed a hyperbole so far. Maybe Jenkins will bring back the Sentry in the future, like he hinted it out and maybe he will show a Galactus stalemate, or Sentry releasing the energy of one million exploding suns and causing a great destruction, somewhere in a dimension without life.
Even that wouldn't turn the Sentry into a galaxy buster, since even a dwarf galaxy has over 10 million stars, so one million exploding suns / stars aren't really that match.

But even if he had the ability to release the energy equal to one million exploding suns, which would be interesting, since his body causes a photosynthetic reaction and absorbs solar radiation on a regular basis and makes him stronger, the destruction would be devastating in the end.
These one million exploding suns would go off and instantly destroy the Earth, the Moon, the Sun, maybe even Saturn and few of the other planets, but that explosion wouldn't stand a chance against the endlessness of the space. The explosion would turn into an implosion and probably become a black hole in the process. A damn huge black hole. A Void, which would devour simply everything and continue dragging the outer space in. It would probably go even further then just out of the reach of a dwarf galaxy. It would turn the Sentry into a galaxy buster for sure.

But Sentry is not a galaxy buster. He does not have the energy of one million exploding suns. He has the power of one million exploding suns:

In his first mini it was shown that he had a fight with the Void, which devastated the entire area.
The Fantastic Four tried to help, but when they arrived it was already to late. One million people were dead because of the battle between Sentry and Void.

The power of one million exploding suns could be just a metaphor. The metaphor to the one million people who died during that fight. One million exploding suns would than be one million lives taken on that day. One million exploding hearts.
Sentry has the power to take one million lives, but he has also the power to save one million exploding suns.

Sentry is power, a power with limitless potential. He already managed to erase the memories of all people on the Earth, more then once. He healed and resurrected people. There shouldn't even be one single reason, why he shouldn't be able to heal over 6 billion people by simply trying it.
But there are reasons. He is not God. At least, he doesn't think of himself as a God and at the same time, he is afraid of the Void. If he heals someone, he provokes his dark side, the Void who gives a young mother breast cancer, just to piss the Sentry off.

They can do all that because of their molecule manipulation. They can do whatever they want, they're omnipotent.
Sentry has the power of one million exploding suns and he has the potential to affect everything on the scale of one million exploding suns. He could destroy it, he could repair it, just the way the Molecule Man did it in the past, yet he still lost in the fight against the Sentry, since he was not experienced with Sentry's special kind of molecules which dwells one step ahead of the current timestream. If Sentry dies, he simply returns from his own point of existance.

There was a fight during "Civil War - The Return" between Sentry and Absorbing man. It was written in the year 2005 by Jenkins, Sentry's creator, 3-4 years before Bendis wrote the fight where Sentry faced the Molecule Man.
In that fight in the year 2005 Absorbing Man tried to absorb Sentry's power, yet he wasn't able to, since there was simply too much. He acknowledged it - he said that he never felt power like that before and wanted more, but then Sentry did his move.

Sentry said, that Absorbing Man couldn't even absorb the energy of one planet, and if he can't do something like that, that he would never be able to handle the power of one million exploding suns.
Do you see the difference? Sentry says energy at first, but then he talks about power. And that's what he confronted Absorbing Man with after that.

Sentry's eyes started glowing and the Absorbing Man begged him to stop. Absorbing Man started dissolving, twisting and disappeared, while Sentry was narrating:

"Creel melts with the power of one million exploding suns.. atom by atom.. dissolving into photons and neutrons and solar wind."

Molecules are made out of atoms, photons, neutrons, solar wind. And that's what happens when Sentry comes back from the dead. When he simply appears back again, out of nothing. He reforms out of the solar wind, thanks to his molecule manipulation and that's what he also threw at Absorbing Man. He didn't have to punch him to death, or to energy blast him into the ground, since it lies in Absorbing Mans powerset to keep returning aswell, so Sentry did it the fast way and molecule manipulated the crap out of the Absorbing Man.

Which proves that Sentry shown that he can do offensive molecule manipulation, before the moment where the Void used it on the Molecule Man. Jenkins is responsible for that and gave it to Bendis. Many people don't know, but Jenkins and Bendis were / are actually buddies and Jenkins was happy when Bendis decided to put Sentry into the New Avengers.

But molecule manipulation is not everything. Sentry can also absorb, manipulate and emit vast amounts of energy. His highest showing was during the fight against Photon, where they were both shredding worlds with their energy output, while still holding back.
So he is at least a planet buster, if he is in a good condition. If he is mentally unstable, then his power level can shrink, like it was shown during his fight against World War Hulk, where his power release was only destroying city blocks.

I hope that explains the entire "power of one million exploding suns" better.

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1.Sentry vs Regular or Classic Superman


Sentry, with ease.

I can't see Superman stomping Terrax as easily as Bob did. Even Surfer had to put in some effort against Terrax, and imo Surfer could take pre reboot Superman.

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Not really, apart from the admission that the term 'one million exploding suns' may not actually be that, but might be a metaphor instead.

And no, molecules are NOT made of photons, or solar wind...


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