Originally posted by quanchi112You seem butthurt, albeit not as butthurt as your mother after I was through with her.
Two things are different. It doesn't apply when you used it but does here due to Ganondorfs reliance on close combat. Gandalf wins.I'd never use the blinding light as breaking bones and killing people because that never happened. You make shit up. You rarely ever debate and just want to be comical ie. not taken seriously.
Do you lift ? That's you so kindly stay out of the debate and go on Skype or something.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't. Another thread in which you have no idea. Surprise, surprise.Just say Ganondorf wins despite you not knowing enough on your own otherwise.
Anyhow, as said Ive seen the films many times and nothing has stood out. If you are unable to say why Grey wins, thats your call. Just means conceding.
Originally posted by BloodRainI said why he wins and this is White not Grey. He was able in a much weaker form of defeating a Balrog which made an entire room of enemies flee. This much weaker Gandalf fought for hours and slew the beast.
Are you personally upset or something? Over someone asking for feats?Anyhow, as said Ive seen the films many times and nothing has stood out. If you are unable to say why Grey wins, thats your call. Just means conceding.
Ganondorf has less impressive feats than this and was bested by Link, sages, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said why he wins and this is White not Grey. He was able in a much weaker form of defeating a Balrog which made an entire room of enemies flee. This much weaker Gandalf fought for hours and slew the beast.Ganondorf has less impressive feats than this and was bested by Link, sages, etc.
How did he slay it? All I remember is... using magic to break the bridge -> being pulled down with it -> having a tumble with it -> falling into the lake -> dies.
Originally posted by BloodRainYou clearly remember very little. As usual. Look you are ignorant in virtually every thread with the same mentality as your brethren. Prove my guy loses. Def. of bias. If you don't come to a conclusion by being knowledgeable about both characters on your own and reach a conclusion otherwise you are being biased.
How did he slay it? All I remember is... using magic to break the bridge -> being pulled down with it -> having a tumble with it -> falling into the lake -> dies.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You clearly remember very little. As usual. Look you are ignorant in virtually every thread with the same mentality as your brethren. Prove my guy loses. Def. of bias. If you don't come to a conclusion by being knowledgeable about both characters on your own and reach a conclusion otherwise you are being biased.
Isnt a debaters job to esplain why a character wins.
If you can't do it just say so, don't constantly go off-topic to complain when it would be so easy to say why he's powerful. I'm open to admit Ganondorf gets his ass handed to him if you can provide the feats. Or any feat.
Originally posted by BloodRainI already explained the feat the Balrog fight in which you admitted you couldn't remember. I've explained why Gandalf wins.
Isnt a debaters job to esplain why a character wins.If you can't do it just say so, don't constantly go off-topic to complain when it would be so easy to say why he's powerful. I'm open to admit Ganondorf gets his ass handed to him if you can provide the feats. Or any feat.
Not my job to provide YouTube clips for you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already explained the feat the Balrog fight in which you admitted you couldn't remember. I've explained why Gandalf wins.Not my job to provide YouTube clips for you.
Not your job to support a character you think wins? Great, then why debate if you cant support them?
"Grey died after besting the Balrog but this is the White version who is superior to Grey."
Literally this repeated about six times is everything you said about the Balrog and why Gandalf wins. Where are the feats? The explanations outside of 'he beat some monster, so he wins'.
All we know about the fight is that Gandalf's shield can block its strike, that we can only confirm it barely hit him on the fall while he was hacking away with the sword, and that he eventually defeated it and died in the process.
Nowhere do we see how strong or durable the Balrog is.
Originally posted by BloodRainI explained why he wins. That's supporting the character. It isn't my job to provide basic information ie. clips, scans, due to someone else's ignorance.
Not your job to support a character you think wins? Great, then why debate if you cant support them?"Grey died after besting the Balrog but this is the White version who is superior to Grey."
Literally this repeated about six times is everything you said about the Balrog and why Gandalf wins. Where are the feats? The explanations outside of 'he beat some monster, so he wins'.All we know about the fight is that Gandalf's shield can block its strike, that we can only confirm it barely hit him on the fall while he was hacking away with the sword, and that he eventually defeated it and died in the process.
Nowhere do we see how strong or durable the Balrog is.
Crushes Saruman despite losing to him the first time. Stopping an arrow from Legolas, burning Aragorns sword, blinding and running off the Nazgul.
His magical durability in a much weaker version as Grey fought for many hours against the Balrog. He lightning charged a sword and struck ending the Balrog. The Balrog was beyond his crew and the hundreds of opponents who fled when the Balrog showed up. Superior feat to anything Ganondorf has done.
Both Gandalf and the Balrog showed they were powerful enough to fall miles against rock, etc.
We see how strong Balrog is by his sheer mass and how he just destroys giant rock just by colliding into it without any damage to himself.
You don't remember and are an ignorant debater who begs for information over movie characters. Rent the movies and have a shred of pride and come into a debate with some knowledge. Don't beg.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I explained why he wins. That's supporting the character. It isn't my job to provide basic information ie. clips, scans, due to someone else's ignorance.
Hmm, this is a complete 180 you've had since debating with me reguarding Street Fighter here Quan... You once demanded I provide basic knowledge, and yet here you are denying this same premise to another debator...
Originally posted by quanchi112
Crushes Saruman despite losing to him the first time. Stopping an arrow from Legolas, burning Aragorns sword, blinding and running off the Nazgul.
he never fought Saruman directly as The White.
Originally posted by quanchi112
His magical durability in a much weaker version as Grey fought for many hours against the Balrog. He lightning charged a sword and struck ending the Balrog. The Balrog was beyond his crew and the hundreds of opponents who fled when the Balrog showed up. Superior feat to anything Ganondorf has done.
Hmm, I'm not really at liberty to debate ganondorf, but I'm pretty sure he has some pretty high end feats, like reality manip, space-time manip, and a few other things, like high end energy manipulation as well... Some provided by the TOP, but he still had to learn how to use that from the ground up.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Both Gandalf and the Balrog showed they were powerful enough to fall miles against rock, etc.
And Ganon AFAIK was able to break out of a limbo dimension a few times.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see how strong Balrog is by his sheer mass and how he just destroys giant rock just by colliding into it without any damage to himself.
And we see Ganon's durability when the castle collapsed on him in ALTTP.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't remember and are an ignorant debater who begs for information over movie characters. Rent the movies and have a shred of pride and come into a debate with some knowledge. Don't beg.
Hypocritical statement from you here...
I'm only here because of this really, I know not much about Ganon sans the old games, but I know more than enough about movie Gandalf and the Balrog, book versions too.