no. my stance is that immigration, refugees, etc.. basically any movement of people... should be regulated for the benefit of the country in question. it's just plain stupid to take on another country's burden against your own interests.
sometimes if you have a culture that is similar enough that you can take their refugees... like the cuban refugees in miami, then you can see a success story.
but the syrians are very different from americans and europeans... the cultural difference is much greater and realistically we are dealing with people who have traditionally been considered enemies... there's a natural antagonism that is going to follow from forcing lower class europeans and americans to brush elbows with lower class syrians... sorry guys people still do have tribal instincts and nationalist tendencies. i think this sort of thing..
makes it pretty clear why this is a stupid idea. multiculturalism is a pretty fragile ecosystem. if you think you can just jam any random cultures together and make a workable society you are just delusional.
so for the same reason it was stupid to import hundreds of thousands of european jews to the middle east in the 20th century... it is stupid to import the massive collateral damage of the syrian civil war in the 21st century.
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i don't think it's sociopathic.. i think it's pragmatic. the amount of suffering in this world is endless. we can't put a cap on it by importing unskilled and impoverished people into rich countries. the only solution is in fixing the countries that they came from. right now syria is having a particular problem which makes them more sympathetic... but there are literally billions of people throughout the world who are just as hopeless, they just don't have enough facebook memes to garner western attention. so i do feel bad for the syrians... and i felt bad for the jews that came from the camps of eastern europe... but importing them into a completely alien culture was a bad idea. and here it is as well.
i mean if anybody should take the refugees it should be countries where they could more easily assimilate like saudi arabia or egypt... ethnically arab and religiously sunni countries... these would have the best hopes of actually providing an environment that these people could assimilate to on a mass scale.
i mean look at turkey... they are having problems there because the massive influx of syrians is seen as a "arabization" of the country... stirring up old nationalist sentiments.. and this is a country that is culturally much much closer to the syrians than any western country.
so what makes white people/westerners think we are so special? so immune from human tribal behavior, that every other part of the world is susceptible to?
You realize that, literally, 99% of the people who immigrate into our country never commit any crimes or cause any problems, yes?
Are you aware that domestic terrorism (read: terrorism committed by US citizens) is the most common form of terrorism that occurs in our country?
The entire "assimilation" argument is dumb when you look at the sheer numbers. The overwhelming majority of immigrants that come here "assimilate" just fine.
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"Deport" means to send them back to their country of origin... how does one deport US citizens out of the US? Where would they go?
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thats an interesting chart. it would seem to indicate that the 1st generation immigrants aren't the real problem, their kids (and the generations after that) are. what a cheerful message for our multicultural utopia.
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