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It still doesn't matter. What's impressive is that Revan fended off the Emperor and the Dread Masters, not that he did so for centuries, which is exclusively a result of him being able to draw upon Surik's Ghost (however Vitiate sustained himself for centuries is irrelevant, we're only discussing Revan).
Also, the novel suggests that it's thanks to Surik's Ghost that Revan could do anything more than just hold the Emperor at bay - the Dread Masters hadn't even been involved yet.
Anyway, the Dread Masters count as one - as you've often told me before.
What? But he did do it for centuries. The fact he had additional resources to draw upon his mute when his attackers also did. You forget that the war wasn't just one way. Revan was also telepathically influencing Vitiate and forcing him to postpone and end galactic wars. Due to both Vitiate and Revan draining, their powers should have been counterbalanced and ended up with being around their normal levels for the entire conflict. The fact their command of the Force stayed roughly the same does not mean Revan's willpower did. You need more than an immense command of the Force to have willpower on Revan's scale. Revan, via willpower, held back the telepathic attacks of Vitiate and the Dread Masters for centuries. That is a fact. Writing that off is laughable, pathetic, and worthy of an heroing. The entire war was based on time. Toward the end of the conflict, Revan's strength finally began to waver, and Vitiate launched the war. In a final effort of will, Revan ended the war via the Treaty of Coruscant. Thus, time was clearly a major player in there. It took three-centuries for Vitiate to finally summon the will to go on with his plans - and even that was temporarily stopped by Revan, saving the Republic in the process. And in regard to the effects it had on Revan, Revan was affected gradually: his hatred toward the Emperor intensified throughout the conflict.
No shit. Because without Surik, Revan couldn't have done anything, because he would have been quickly drained of all his power (not due to telepathy, but Force drain). Vitiate wasn't playing fair.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Aug 7th, 2016 at 01:04 AM
I don't think Revan specifically held off the invasion or suppressed Vitiates will, I think Vitiate delayed that for other reasons. Could be wrong tho.
Also it should be noted that Vitiate influenced Revan as well by turning him insane and bloodthirsty. He kind of succeeded in turning him to the darkside.
Then you have to factor in the drain on both sides, and recognize Revan feeding off Surik's ghost was relevant to a completely different spectrum of the fight than the telepathy war, which is what is relevant to the topic at hand.
Tell me how the hell using Force drain (Revan and Vitiate both) has any relevancy to the topic at hand. It doesn't. They were counterbalanced and so the point was mute.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
Last edited by Jaggarath on Aug 7th, 2016 at 01:19 AM
One of the main plot-points of the novel was that Darth Nyriss and other members of the Dark Council discovered that the Emperor planned to launch a war in their lifetime, and thus formed a secret alliance and risked everything to stop him. That's the entire reason Scourge joined up with Meetra Surik and Revan. Additionally, in the Revan flashpoint storyline, Meetra Surik emphasizes that Revan was "holding the darkness at bay, lost inside it for three hundred years" Plus, the novel even states: "he was able to push and nudge the Emperor's own thoughts and beliefs, subtly manipulating them in ways that could have profound effects. Revan played on the Emepror's caution and patience, constantly pushing them to the forefront of his enemy's mind. He augmented his irrational fear of death. At every opportunity he reinforced the idea that invading the Republic was reckless and dangerous."
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
Alright, I'll let it go. Though I recall people touting Revan resisting both the Emperor and his Dread Masters for centuries even whilst being Drained, which is giving him a bit too much credit - but otherwise, fair enough.
Aug 6th, 2016 07:22 PM
