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TheHulkster
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Black Bolt is more powerful than Galactus!!!

As shown, Galactus is never defeated in that battle. The MOAs do kill Aegis.

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It is destroyed by Death but MAOs lived through her attacks.

That alone should tell you who was more powerful.

But yeah, the agent was more powerful than the masters who actually killed it in the first place and have been directly stated to be more powerful.

Because that makes perfect sense. Somehow.

Not sure why you are trying to nitpick through who created who, etc. The power levels shown are clear. The Engine would stomp. Occam's Razor.

Sep 7th, 2016 01:24 PM

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As shown, Galactus is never defeated in that battle. The MOAs do kill Aegis.

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That was Galactus engine and Aegis has been stated to be as powerful as Galactus.

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Not sure why you are trying to nitpick through who created who, etc. The power levels shown are clear. The Engine would stomp. Occam's Razor.

That Galactus engine was below Elder Gods and below universal abstracts like Death or Kismet and hence B13?

The engine would get stomped. Clear cut. No amount of whining would change that.

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That was Galactus engine and Aegis has been stated to be as powerful as Galactus.

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That Galactus engine was below Elder Gods and below universal abstracts like Death or Kismet and hence B13?

The engine would get stomped. Clear cut. No amount of whining would change that.

The Galactus Engine is specifically stated to be a response to the cosmics, whom they are unable to respond to before. So the Engine is more powerful. It's described as a weaponized Galactus fighting the cosmics on a level the others cannot perceive. Braniac is outclassed even when you cry more. Good, good.

Kismet runs and hides from the Skyfather level Dominus who is defeated by Superman who is able to block his power by meditating.

Sep 7th, 2016 04:17 PM

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It was explicitly stated that the MAOs were larger and more powerful than the GE:
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I'm not sure why you feel the need to incessantly argue against on-panel evidence, but you need to stop. It borders on trolling at this point.

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The Galactus Engine is specifically stated to be a response to the cosmics, whom they are unable to respond to before. So the Engine is more powerful. It's described as a weaponized Galactus fighting the cosmics on a level the others cannot perceive. Braniac is outclassed even when you cry more. Good, good.

This is some A level trolling. Keep it up.

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Kismet runs and hides from the Skyfather level Dominus who is defeated by Superman who is able to block his power by meditating.

Lords of Order are no mere skyfathers like Galactus. Kismet is embodiment of reality and a bonafide universal abstract.

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The galactic engine should win. How easily it wins depends on how much prep b 13th gets.

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Like I said, B13 has a week to prep.

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This is easy. Is B13 abstract level? Yes? He wins. No? He loses.

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^ I'm still waiting to get an answer on this

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How this goes depends on whether we're using B13 who already has Imperiex's energies

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The Galactus Engine is specifically stated to be a response to the cosmics, whom they are unable to respond to before. So the Engine is more powerful. It's described as a weaponized Galactus fighting the cosmics on a level the others cannot perceive. Braniac is outclassed even when you cry more. Good, good.

Kismet runs and hides from the Skyfather level Dominus who is defeated by Superman who is able to block his power by meditating.

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It was explicitly stated that the MAOs were larger and more powerful than the GE:
http://i.imgur.com/AQsVgOJ.jpg

I'm not sure why you feel the need to incessantly argue against on-panel evidence, but you need to stop. It borders on trolling at this point.

That's interesting. I present an on panel statement where Galactus flat out says that Diableri endeavors to reshape the universe in his image and would have succeeded had not Galactus killed him and imprisoned Aegis and Tenebrous by his own hands.

Abhi calls it hyperbole and you have no comment on that. Such blatant hypocrisy borders on trolling so let me ask you this question. Did Galactus defeat a being who would have reshaped the universe in his image?

Do we actually see any beings larger than the Galactus Engine? No. Medusa actually doesn't say that anything is larger or more powerful than the Galactus Engine. She says that larger and more powerful "entities" are following behind the assault vanguard. That appears to be a general statement of what is coming out, especially when she had just stated that the GE is the most monstrous threat of all. An "entity" is something that exists independently. The Galactus engine is a machine; a weapon created and controlled by sentient entities that Medusa refers to as "it".

There is enough doubt to that which you assert based on nitpicking a couple of words to not change what is shown in the big picture. We see a monstrously sized threat engaging dozens of celestials along with Galactus, Tenebrous and Aegis in a way that lower beings are unable to comprehend.

Sep 7th, 2016 07:43 PM

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Lords of Order are no mere skyfathers like Galactus. Kismet is embodiment of reality and a bonafide universal abstract.

But you just lowballed Lord Chaos and Master Order and said that Galactus beating them is unimpressive.

Sep 7th, 2016 07:46 PM

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What has Lord Chaos/ MO done?

Sep 7th, 2016 07:47 PM

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Do we actually see any beings larger than the Galactus Engine? No. Medusa actually doesn't say that anything is larger or more powerful than the Galactus Engine. She says that larger and more powerful "entities" are following behind the assault vanguard. That appears to be a general statement of what is coming out, especially when she had just stated that the GE is the most monstrous threat of all. An "entity" is something that exists independently. The Galactus engine is a machine; a weapon created and controlled by sentient entities that Medusa refers to as "it".

She says the GE is the largest thing, and then corrects herself when the sensors pick up the "larger and more powerful" MAOs behind it. That's why there's a break in her sentence - she's relaying new information on the fly (and if that's not proof enough she even says "we are beginning to detect...").

And you're grossly overreading into the word "entities" to fit your blatantly skewed perspective.

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What has Lord Chaos/ MO done?

They are lords of order, as Abhi mentions. He says that puts them above Galactus. So Galactus beating them is impressive right?

Sep 7th, 2016 08:00 PM

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Sep 7th, 2016 08:02 PM

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What has Lord Chaos/ MO done?

they fought thanos with the infinity gauntlet and lost (but so did mephisto, the celestials, hate and love, and ego, so that isn't really a low end feat), and they also created the in-betweener (who is capable of fighting Galactus).

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^ I'm still waiting to get an answer on this

IYO, would that change the outcome of this fight?

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Well can you present an image of one these LARGER entities being defeated?

Of course not, they never went through the breach because Galactus held off the Engine long enough for Thanos to bring Death back to the Cancerverse.

What are you getting at?

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IYO, would that change the outcome of this fight?

Absolutely. B13 with Imperiex's energies remade the universe in his computerized image. That is >>> GE

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She says the GE is the largest thing, and then corrects herself when the sensors pick up the "larger and more powerful" MAOs behind it. That's why there's a break in her sentence - she's relaying new information on the fly (and if that's not proof enough she even says "we are beginning to detect...").

And you're grossly overreading into the word "entities" to fit your blatantly skewed perspective.

You know, I will actually give you that point. My trepidations resulted from never seeing any larger entities. But in scanning the issue, it appears that the larger entities following the GE never make it through the fault before Death kills Mar-Vell.

Sep 7th, 2016 08:09 PM

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