Oh, I just don't talk to people in real life about politics, it's way too touchy these days, considering that most of my friends are increasingly vocal leftists. I just don't like the fact that there are people I know posting stuff on social media that says "If you don't take part in this BLM stuff and accept your privilege, you're not my friend." Leftist rhetoric is poison right now, and that includes the discussion of privilege; everything has to be taken on their terms, and I'm not willing to play part in skewed political games like that.
I'm happy to discuss the pros/cons of being white in America, or the West in general, but not whilst things are as they are right now as I don't have trust in people to be responsible about it. I also resent America's problems being wholesale applied onto UK society when things aren't even close to what they're like over there.
This is my problem, though: acting as you "lucked out" by being straight is to say that it's better to be straight. That's just such a horrible way to look at it.
Both of those above statements are racist. I don't think black people should feel like they were "born unlucky" because they are black.
How are people not understanding how this entire way of thinking is awful? Nobody should feel lucky they were born one race or another. We can accept the difficulties or racism that black people (or other minorities) face without starting this whole idea of "luck" and "privilege". As I have said, I think the goal is noble, but the tactics are toxic and bad for long-term race relations, because if we do eventually level out society and black people don't face these discriminations, we'll all have conditioned 'privilege' into our psyches, and it won't just go away. It will create dissonance, resentment and various other pathologies.
It's the wrong way of looking at it, and I'm still not subscribing to it.
I have friends on the right who aren't racists etc. Then I have others who are further right whom I am polite to but, they're not my friend in my mind anymore.
Yeah if I find out one of my friends is genuinely far-right or just generally racist then I distance myself from them in a way that isn't rude, but pronounced enough for them to realise that I don't align with their nasty shit. Luckily that was not happened many times, although I have a lot of friends who are going the other way pretty extremely — many starting to identify even as full communists. But funnily enough they're ones I can joke with usually, I always take pops at communism and play an exaggerated capitalist version of myself so they can take the piss out of me, too.
too many on here are would be too far right for me in real life. KMC is broken. If I ever did make a sock account here, I think I would call it tumbleweed.
You have to remember that people online are often more unrestrained and willing to exaggerate their views than in real life. I think if there were to be a KMC meetup, a lot of people's personalities would be borderline unrecognisable, and most people would get along just fine
to a point, i am probably more outspoken offline because position (privelege), physical size and reputation allow me to be. People talk back less if a 6ft 1" brick shithouse, who has more weight economically is talking to them in real life.
And you have to remember that, to pooty/whirly, anyone who merely supports Trump or voted for Brexit is"far right" in his delusional mind. So is anyone who doesn't agree with his crazy, shitty Marxist ideology.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
I hate to break it to you but the USA could probably take lessons on a more balanced system then our praise capitalism over all................more pieces of socialism would be massively better then our system that essentially is a snake swallowing its own tail.
Just like trickle down economics is just average folks getting pissed on while the bulk of our functional economy is driven by average folks consuming goods, not the stock market.
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....and I hate to break it to you, dude, that capitalism will always be far superior to Marxism no matter how much snowflakes claim otherwise.
So sorry I triggered you by talking bad about such a shitty ideology. Even though I knew you were anti-Trump, I at least didn't think you were one of those Marxist crazies... don't worry, won't make that mistake again.
Capitalism is far from perfect but it's still the best economic system in the history of the world. Marxism certainly doesn't hold a candle to free market capitalism.
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
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You do realize that "true capitalism" as you put it is prevalent in America, right? Corrupt corparitism isn't the only kind of capitalism in the country. And LoL if you think corparitism only exists in America.
I really hope you don't turn into pooty. He is always pathetically bashing the United States every chance he gets (obviously because he's jealous that it is far superior to his shitty country lol).
__________________ Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth bound feathered dinosaur. But it is not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of 'paleobabble' is going to change that.-- Alan Feduccia-a world authority on birds, quoted in "Archaeopteryx:Early Bird Catches a Can of Worms," Science 1994, p.764-765
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Activism for a cause, I have nothing against. It's the horse and pony bs you get on network news, or the "activism" of overprivileged kids at universities who never wanted for anything in their lives I can't stand (And I especially hate how spineless supposed "authority figures" are in these settings. When an angry mob tells you to move, you tell the mob "No. YOU move.")
And more then anything else, I can't stand the political weaponizing. The "Just call then a racist", or "Call them a socialist".
Literally no one breaks ranks and says "Ok guys, lets be fair about this." Everyones complicit, from the actors to the apathetic audience.
__________________ What CDTM believes;
Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
No, it is acknowledging that straight people are better off than sexual minorities in a heterosexist society.
I would not trade places with a black man, even a rich one, not because there is something wrong with being black, because America is racist.
That is where intersectionality comes in. A wealthy black man may have class and gender priviledges that confer advantages to him in certain situations. But in the context of racial profiling, those priviledges are entirely negated.
Wealthy black men are routinely harrassed for driving their own cars or entering their own homes, because people with racial biases cannot conceive that a black man can legitimately own those things. And in those instances, his wealth and his gender did not insulate him from the consequences of racism.
We do not create a more equal society by ignoring that inequality exists.
I understand that, acknowledging that certain groups have it better off overall than others is something I have zero issues with as it is simply recognising reality. I can't really vibe at all with the idea of trading places because I wouldn't trade places with anyone, but I do understand the ethos behind what you are saying nonetheless.
I wouldn't say that lack of privileges in one area negates other privileges, they go alongside each other. 'Racial privileges' would obviously be most pronounced because they are centred on physical appearance. Although I don't doubt even wealthy black men suffer racial discrimination at times, I do doubt that experience is true of every wealthy black man, or even every black man; that's why I dislike the all-or-nothing attitude of privilege, as it doesn't take into account personal experience, it just blankets an entire demographic as having an identical experience due to a shared trait. Comes from a good place, and is rooted in reality, but quickly falls prey to small-minded theorising that I don't think will be useful in the long run. I think at the end of the day that telling a white man in poverty that he needs to check his privilege and accept that he is better off than a black millionaire is never going to fly, especially in how the theory is usually posited.
However, overall, I think you explained this well, and it's given me some stuff to mull over. I've been trying to find more testimonies from black Americans, mixed-race Americans, and interracial American couples, to help build a picture of what race relations in America are truly like (which is obviously difficult due to the size and diversity of the country).
Also, a side comment, I've been surprised by our interactions, Adam. When I was mostly just lurking the GDF, you always came across as a troll to me, but when speaking to you personally, I've always found you've been cordial and pretty refined with your arguments and points. Although we clearly have deeply contrasting personalities — and, as such, politics — you often put your arguments in a way that I find effective and intelligent, and it sometimes helps me see the issue from another perspective.
Adam covered everything I could say, and it seems like you're willing to critically engage with the ideas, which is fantastic. We're not judging the inherent worth of any given identity so much as highlighting how a bigoted society stratifies those same identities.
...and mixed economies shit on both, which is why we use that now.
And hopefully, we continue to evolve as we learn more.
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Jun 27th, 2020 11:34 AM
100% agree.
