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I don't think Sidious could hang, honestly. Just because he can dominate in the modern era of Jedi doesn't mean crap for the supposed Golden Era of Sithdom and the old Republic.
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I disagree. Kun was one badass sith lord and it took like hundreds of jedi to kill him. His spirit even survived the attack. And it took even 11 jedi to combine their powers and kill his spirit, ionized air particles. While for Sidious, it took a half-dead, one-handed, cripple to simply throw him in a shaft, and even when he reincarnated, Han Solo simply blasted him in the back with a blaster and ended his life right there. I definitely wouldn't count Exar out in this, he certainly can beat Sidious.
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Orginally Posted by Jedimaster2000
I disagree. Kun was one badass sith lord and it took like hundreds of jedi to kill him. His spirit even survived the attack. And it took even 11 jedi to combine their powers and kill his spirit, ionized air particles. While for Sidious, it took a half-dead, one-handed, cripple to simply throw him in a shaft, and even when he reincarnated, Han Solo simply blasted him in the back with a blaster and ended his life right there. I definitely wouldn't count Exar out in this, he certainly can beat Sidious.
lol, thats a good way of looking at it. Exar would certainly beat Han, and Han beat Palply. Personally I think that Palps is a bit over ratedin most cases, sure he's great, but if Yoda were in his prime, he would beat him. Actually in Yoda: Dark Rondevous, where Dooku is trying to convince Yoda to turn dark, he realizes just how stupid that is, not sure of the exact quote but I think it was, "If Yoda were to turn, Sidious wouldn't stand a chance, the galaxy would fall. The galaxy had not yet conprehended the power that a 800 year old jedi could wield. So if a 800 year old guy would waste Sidous so easily (sure he would beat anyone, but Dooku made it sound like he wouldn't even have to look at the guy) then I think that Exar would also beat him. I think Anakin in RotS (pre-lava bath) would beat him, NJO Luke would beat him, heck, Han beat him.
So Exar, though it would be one great battle. Also, like Darth Janus said, lots would have been forgotten in 4000 years, Exar has a bigger understanding of the force and more duelling styles and and force powers. Kun would win.
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according to the ROTS novel, Sidious holds the combined power and knowledge of all Sith. The Sith have evolved over time and gained new insight in the force which is why out of all the Jedi, only Anakin (the chosen one) and Mace windu (practitioner of Vaapad) could defeat him. This would mean that Sidious would have all the power and knowledge of Darth Plaguies, Darth Bane, Exar Kun, and Naga Sadow. In his fight with Yoda, he desplayed a power similar to Mace's Vapaad in that he could use the power directed against him to empower himself. Furthermore, Palpatine was able to cloud the light side of the force and to prolong his life with mitichlorian manipulation. He was also able to manipulate and control the separatists, countless beaurocrats, and all but 2,000 senators.
that's why i think he is more powerful than Kun ever was.
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I sometimes hate the prequels. Ever since they came out, nobody can hold a candle to Sidious and Anakin. It's ridiculous.
The Chosen One theory blows. So do the ideas of midi-chlorians. Since the Old Republic was very advanced and didn't mention them, and the sequels never mentioned them, and the prequels shouldn't have mentioned them, I am writing them off as nonsense. A drunken bet on GL's part.
I don't see how Sidious could have all the knowledge of the Sith, considering it was difficult to find in the time of the Old Republic, and that was a goldmine compared to present day. I could take the word of some freelance author, but to each his own. I just think it's BS. If Sidious was so powerful, he would have turned Luke by force. Right then, right there. He would have destroyed Mace and Yoda, right then. Right there. He didn't. He's weaker than anyone thinks. End of argument.
Clouding the light side of the Force seems to be this man's big ability, and it means jack all in combat.
"Ha ha, Exar! I have clouded the light side of the Force!"
"Sid, I can SEE you. And I'm Sith. What good did that do?"
"Crap!"
So there goes that. Clouding the light side of the force is pretty damn easy, really.
And political manipulation is nifty, really is. But means jack all in combat.
It's more about knowledge of both jedi and sith and the ability to reflect the force back at your opponent. Yoda lost to sidious because the more power Yoda used, the more power Sidious deflected at him. Redirecting power can be much more powerful than having power (one of the pillars of several martial arts, such as Kung Fu and Aikido), Mace got the drop on Sidious and melted his face by using the same tactic against him through Vapaad. I don't recall Kun using Sidious' degree of force reflection against any Jedi. For that matter, Mace could've gotten the drop on him too, power is useless if it is simply redirected back at you.
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Oh yeah, and then there's the whole matter of virtual immortality through midichlorian manipulation discovered by Darth Plaguies and unmatched saber skill (discussed in a previous thread-Ambidextrity, speed, agility, and knowledge.)
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Midi-chlorians are stupid. And immortality through science really just makes the mysticism of the Force worth jack all. And Exar Kun didn't need some cheap cloning technique. His bloody ghost hung around for years, nabbing the body of a very powerful Force user and pretty much giving NJO Luke a fight for his life. NJO Luke, I might add, could whup Sidious around like a ragdoll.
As far as redirecting power back at the user, perhaps there is some truth in what you say, and that could be a definate plus for Sidious. But it's not enough to make me think the old man could hack it.
well if u ask me the whole prohpecy is bullshit. sidious coultn even touch exar. considering the fact exar could kill a jedi simply by looking at them and the ground shook when he walked upon it. the dark energy was pooring out of him. and about that sidious making the order fall, its not true, the order fell cuz the jedi became arrogant, they had not seen the dark side for millenia and forgot wat was it like, to face a true threat when they had to rely on light side completely to have a chance. so when they faced it finally, they werent ready. and did not know much of how to defend.
I don't see why people hate midichlorians so much, all they really do is show that the Jedi gained such an insight to the force that they were able to use some, key word being some, scientific evidence to prove the force is real.
And hate the prophecy all you want, but the fact is it's a real and integral part of Star Wars. You guys may hate George Lucas for changing the story and adding things U don't like, but tough sh*t. It's not your story and although we have the right to complain about it, there's nothing you can do about it.
Personally, when I first heard of midichlorians I was somewhat pissed, but after I read some interviews Lucas made, and he ellaborated on them, I'm cool with it, since like I said, it's his story.
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