[QUOTE=3538211]Originally posted by Darth_Janus
[B]Well, debates take shape like flowing currents. You can't control them all the time and there's times when you shouldn't. Things have winded down here, and we're all talking about things that we would like to talk about. The topic title is still visible to all and I don't think discussing ROTJ in any way defies the topic because it is and I quote...
"How owuld oyu have prefered the original trilogy to have ended?"
Hm. I'm too lazy to get those typos. But yeah, so the key word is ended.... or end. The last movie. That would be ROTJ. And while I will say it did lack the magic of the previous two films (ESB is my favorite too) I honestly haven't heard anyone bash the movie. Only the Ewoks. Those things should be napalmed. And the digitally remastered scene with teh dancing whatchamacallit was just over the top. I cringe when I sit through that scene.
Luke and Vader are fighting and Vader's hand comes off. Luke, still incensed by the Emperors evil remarks hits Vader down the chest, mortally wounding him. He falls down. Luke renounces the dark side once he realises what he's done and the Emperor uses the force lightning on him. What happens is now, so angry and concentrated ot Luke the Emperor doesn't feel the presence of Obi-Wans spirit making his way towards Vader. He gets over to where Vader is and encourages him to save his son (a nice scene where you can see Obi-Wan and Vader/Anakin making up and forgiving) . Luke is one more lightning bolt from death when the spirit of Yoda surprises the Emperor. Yoda smiles at him and says" Help him now Anakin!!". Vader appears out of knowhere, force summons Luke's lightsaber and decapitates the Emperor from behind. Luke falls unconcious. Vader lifts the lighning-spewing body and throws it into the reactor. Vader helps Luke off the Death Star but dies by the time Luke wakes up on Endor and Luke acts a bit more upset than he did originally.
I think Lando should have died at the Sarlacc... You know, maybe trying to save Han Solo from Boba Fett... but there will be too much "redemptions" in one movie...
And instead of a Death Star II, make the rebels have a plan to attack CORUSCANT, it will be much big and epic.
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Lord Shadow i thought ben said he couldn't interfere in that kind of thing??
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And in the movie, when Palpy is using the force lightning on Luke, the shots of the face of Vader make the audience think: Whats he going to do? Whats he going to do?
If you put there Ben and Yoda's Ghosts you will know what he is going to do... and it does not seem as much as HIS choise.
I would mix the music louder during the emperor's death scene (the choral decressendo. I'd also reinsert the deleted scene where Vader kills a red guard.
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No, because Obi-Wan couldn't interfere. He knew getting involved again could make Vader stay on the dark side. Obi-Wan knew that his presence didn't inspire any of the good within Anakin, only his hate. Obi-Wan knew the only one who could reach out to Vader was his son, that's why he couldn't interfere.
Having ghost Yoda and Ben in the final Vader redemption sequence would be incredibly cheesy, too.
anyway i dont know about obi wan coming back i think it should have ended as it did but on endor when yoda obi wan and anikan are there Qui Gon should have been there too.As he taught Yoda how to stay living in the force
But Qui-Gon didn't have any connection to Luke, and Luke wouldn't have known who he was. Woulda been funny. What if Lucas added in an extra line at the end of ROTJ, seeing as he had Hayden Anakin at the end:
*Luke sees Obi-Wan and Yoda, and a young man roughly the same age as him suddenly appear next to them*
Luke: "Who the f**k are you?"
Young ghost: "I'm Anakin dude"
Obi-Wan and Yoda: "Hey you little bastard we've got a bone to pick with you.........."
Luke: "Ahhhhh. Then who the f**k is that?"
Qui-Gon: "I am Qui-Gon Jinn. I taught these guys how to become ghosts"
Luke: "Oh. Um, OK. Fair do's - I don't know why you are here though"
Qui-Gon: "Neither do I. I dunno who you are really, Obi-Wan just invited me to this here party"
Luke: "Nice meeting you, whoever you are - so who's that guy?"
Mace Windu: "I came *this* close to stopping all of this crap, and that little prick cut my hand off and got me killed"
Luke: "..........."
Obi-Wan: "Hey, lets all hide before Jar Jar gets here............"
*Everyone laughs, and then hides from Jar Jar - End Credits*
That would work with my idea though. The idea that Anakin could overcome this confusing hatred of Obi-Wan would let the audience understand why he hated him in the first place. The explaination in the time of the originals was simply he was seduced by the dark side of the force and destroyed the Jedi as more or less as an agent of the Sith (it was a duty for him, I never believed it at the time of the originals to be a personal thing for Anakin to actually hate Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi. Nothing suggested a personal vendetta, Obi-Wan's a Jedi, thats all Vader needs.) So I do believe my ending to be plausible because I don't let the new films interfere with my vision of what Star Wars is or should be. The new films just confuse and irritate me with the bullshit they've created.
About the ghost idea. I'll keep the Yoda ghost idea (I like this idea because it seems fitting that he should witness the fall of the Emperor) but I'll settle for the trademark Obi-Wan voice messages instead.
I think the end scene is a HUGE disappointment. The trilogy is about anakin's entire life, leading up to the point where he kills the emperor. So why did the end battle last 2 seconds? Why was it as simple as him simply picking him up and throwing him into the pit? It would have been much much better if they had to actually duel it out somehow. Palpy is supremely powerful, as has been seen throughout the movie. Windu couldn't kill him, and neither could Yoda, but Vader goes Hulk Hogan and throws him over the top ropes and it's over? Come on...
Apr 12th, 2005 01:46 PM
