Originally posted by Sileas
i'm not judging this movie against b&R, or against any other movie. i'm judging it by itself.
Exactly,
I am but part of the many sites and sources who strongly believe this film was grade A material, regardless of what projects came before it as you can see by my review under my sig. Thus I have no idea where Flip is coming from with his insane claims.
Flipmode, I know you're going to get a lotta heat for criticizing but a lot of the points you mentioned also struck me as well. There were segments in the movie where the action or the plot or the delivery did not go smoothly but I was kind of expecting awkward parts. Some people will say you're nitpicking but I've wondered to myself how my review of the movie will change once the fervor dies down. I gave the movie a great rating but at the same time I fear it was due to the excitement of seeing a "better" Batman movie.
I watched 1989 Batman again the next day and the experience was totally different. Both that and Batman Begins were good in their own way but honestly, I still prefer Burton's by a teensy bit.
([email protected] hoping to see parker's review......)
oh and let me correct myself earlier. someone said bruce did *not* shoot chill after the hearing. ??? which one's right? i really think he looked awfully calm when chill went down, almost like he was just seeing it in his mind's eye rather than having just done it in reality. a couple of yrs later, when challenged to execute someone, he said "I'm no executioner." so either his opinion changed or.....i got it wrong.
Originally posted by Sileas
([email protected] hoping to see parker's review......)oh and let me correct myself earlier. someone said bruce did *not* shoot chill after the hearing. ??? which one's right? i really think he looked awfully calm when chill went down, almost like he was just seeing it in his mind's eye rather than having just done it in reality. a couple of yrs later, when challenged to execute someone, he said "I'm no executioner." so either his opinion changed or.....i got it wrong.
Wait a sec, your under the impressoin that Bruce killed Chill?
No he did'nt. You can actually see the person run up to Chill and shoot him.
BUT, I must know. 😛 What thoughts are going through your head, knowing you just watched a movie where Bruce not only killed in cold blood, but ALSO used a Gun! Not only that...but turns around to learn the ways of the world, and become out Batman!?
Please tell me, im intrigued.
If that had ACTUALLY been what happend in the movie. I would have INSTANTLY considered it SOOO ELSEWORLD, that they could have done ANYTHING to the character of Bruce, and I would'nt have a care in the world. They could have made him gay, and lose his left hand in a fight with Alfred. It would all be fun in the name of fantasy on top of fiction. 😆 😆
Flipmode: I thought Batman Begins was great, and since I've never bothered to see Batman and Robin in its entirety, I very much doubt that it's because I'm comparing it to that. For that matter, my mom enjoyed it overall, and I'm sure that she's not comparing it to the other Batman movies, what with never having seen any of them. Ultimately, of course, it all comes down to people having different opinions, so ... yeh. Actually, I agree with you about the music, and certainly the fighting could have been done better, but I don't see that type of stuff as quite the deal-breaker you see to.
Okay here is my review of Batman Begins.Great flick.This is the Batman movie we should have had back in 89 but were cheated out of.This movie was awesome,great from start to finish.This is the kind of Batman movie I was expecting to see back in 89 but did not get till now.This movie had the kind of excitement and action that you would expect to see in a Batman movie.Lots of action from start to finish with not only that,but a great story as well.It was great to see Bruce Wayne learn the arts of the ninja and see how he became a martial arts expert and they showed his true character,a guy who can EASILY beat up SEVERAL men at one time because of his martial arts training which we saw in the beginning. Not this wimp who cant even beat one guy.They also faithfully showed that Bruce Wayne will not take a life unless it is absolutely necessary and there is no other choice.Thank god they did not butcher to death his character again in this film and turn him into a cowardly killer killing when there is no need to.Nolan was the right man all along as we all knew.Not only was it pleasing to see an origin Batman movie with Batman not killing people in cowardly ways,but it was great to see Bale as Batman as well.He was the perfect choice for the role and he made you care about him and sympathise for him.He not only had the right physical build and look but also did an outstanding job as Bruce Wayne/Batman with his multiple 3 identitys as Bruce Wayne the playboy,the private Bruce Wayne,and as Batman.I absolutely loved how they explained why he dressed up as a Bat and why he choose the weapons he did to fight crime.Brilliant origin story.Liam Neesan was great in his role as well.
The plot was great as well with great screenwriting.Placing the humor in the right places and making the movie dramatic at the same time.Glad to see it avoided all the campy humor and was a serious Batman film with interesting characters that were sorely lacking in previous films.This film was all about Batman like it should have been that it was such an enjoyable Batman flick to watch.I got my wish in that area as well.Something else I really enjoyed about the movie also was that they showed how the city was run by corrupt officials and how the jury system is corrupt with crooked judges.That is so much the way the real world really is.In that way,this movie really reflected reality.I loved it when he gassed Scarecrow and gave him a dose of his own medicine.I also really loved the explanation that was given on how he got all those cool gadgets such as the batmobile and how he was able to live under a mansion with an underground tunnel to a batcave.Terrific and brilliant screenwriting by Goyer.
In short,everything was great about this movie.The casting choice of Bale for Batman,the supporting cast,very good story,amazing scenery,I absolutely LOVED the look of Gothem and the ariel shots they showed of the city.Kinda reminded me of the city by the bay-san francisco.heh heh.The scenes in the cave with the waterfall were awesome as well.It so much gave you the feeling of a cave.Not to mention the brilliantly filmed scenes of Bale walking through a bunch of Bats like he did a few times.Very clever idea of Goyer and Nolans.The look of Gothem they had when showing the subway making its way through the city was totally amazing as well.Very Breathtaking.As was the scenes in the beginning when he was leaving the ninjas.I think I heard those scenes were like filmed In Iceland I believe.Those were fantastic scenes and fantastic set design.
The only real negatives I have for this film is that Nolan made the same mistake Burton did with Batman 89.No mention of Dick Greyson.So once again we are going to be left hanging in the dark on if Robin will be in a sequel or not. 😠 Other than that and also the look of the Batmobile,I have no complaints about this movie at all.The story was so good that you could forget the look of the batmobile.Now that they have GOT to improve on in sequels if they want to the movies to keep thriving.But other than those two minor complaints,I loved everything about this movie.Unlike Bakerboy though,I wont go so far as saying its better than Superman.That movie I have no doubt will always remain my favorite comicbook movie.Especially since I have a lot of nostalgia memorys of that movie.But I WILL go so far as to say it is my SECOND favorite comicbook movie ever made.Right after Superman. 🙂
All in all,on a scale of 1 to 10,I give this movie a rating of 9.5.
Hooray,I can FINALLY put the nightmare franchise of those other four Batman movies behind me.It was all just a bad dream. 💃
As much as I.. and everyone else wants to see Robin in the movies. I am not confident in the way it will transcend into films.
And like I said before, if they cast a Dick Greyson, it will not be the young boy you imagine. A movie just will not cast a teenager to play a lead role in such a movie, Hollywood wont do it. Your gonna get a 20ish actor. An actor with experience.
Id rather have them work with what they have so far. We cant really expect them to cram the WHOLE Batman universe into a few movies and expect it to be quality... hell... arent a lot of comics crap also?
Actually I would be very happy if they cast a 20ish actor for the role of Robin.That was the main reason I disliked Batman Forever the least was because Robin was in it and also because they had a great origin story for Robin.I loved the origin story for Robin in Batman Forever.The thing that totally ruined that movie for me more than anything though was the horrible casting choice of Chris O'donnel as Robin.He is a horrible actor and he looked practically the same age as Kilmer.He was way too old to be adopted in that movie.That movie was a joke because of those facts That was so stupid when Kilmer said to Alfred-take care of the kid.I mean the guy was a grown man for crying out loud.That movie would have rocked if they had cast scott weinger from FULL HOUSE.He would have been the perfect choice for Robin back then.He looked like he was high school age which is what Robin SHOULD be in a sequel.If you cast someone that looks the role like he does and can pass for high school age like weinger could have,Robin can be a great character.