Because the FInal Aeon is it's heart, but it isn't Sin itself. I've played through FF X twice and it's very clear that the Final Aeon is incapable of the feats Sin is. Sin can wipe out cities, Braska's Final Aeon cannot. Sin can use Giga Graviton and level mountain ranges, Braska's FInal Aeon cannot. I could keep going with this list forever, but that is unecessary.
The fact of the matter is that Zack would stomp BFA like he stomped Genesis Avatar, as Jecht in BFA form doesn't have anywhere near the full power of Sin.
I get it! Zack can't kill the 1000 year old terror that is Sin. Funny how this thread shifted from Zack fighting Jecht to Zack fighting an unkillable whale-thing. Just asking but if a villian like Kuja or Kefka ever fought Sin, couldn't they just destroy Spira.(and by extention Sin)
But back on topic. Zack beats Jecht even in his Final Aeon phase. There both cool though.
Yes, someone with the level of power of Sephiroth, Kefka, Exdeath, etc could defeat Sin rather handily, but Zack just isn't at that godlike level of power.
I find it hard to believe you played FFX twice, because if you did, you wouldn't be making the claims you are making. Unless you just didn't pay attention.
The Final Aeon is sin. That's just how it is. Once the FA has DEFEATED SIN, it is reborn in ten years (I think) as sin.
The Final Aeon, aka Jecht, has to defeat sin for this to happen. That's what the FA is for!
Go play the game over again, or just watch the video I posted. Either one is enough to prove that Jecht is sin.
Just when I thought Zack was set, another piece of evidence is put in place to bar him from victory. Yu Yevon pretty much uses the Final Aeons as a console to control Sin and as building block to make a new one should someone use a Final Aeon to beat Sin's outer shell.
From this, Zack would beat Jecht in his Final Aeon form but wouldn't kill the unkillable whale thing because he wouldn't have enough power too breach it. Even if he did, Yu Yevon would be alive and well and probably make another Sin.( or so I've heard)
Tac, stop arguing semantics, you're only looking silly. Look at your own quote for god's sake, Sin is eternal, the Final Aeon's die quite easily. That is because Sin as an entity is seperate from them. When they die it is just remade using them as a core, but the Final Aeon doesn't have nearly the power of the whole of Sin. You're arguing that you're hand is not just a part of you, but that it is you. Jecht as the Final Aeon is not Sin proper, just it's metaphorical heart. Jecht in any form has nowhere near the power of Sin, all he did was defeat the last Final Aeon, not the whole of the creature.
For the last time, no Final Aeon has anything even close to Giga Graviton or Sin's other attacks. SIn and the FA aren't synonyms, that's why the penultimate boss of FF X is called Braska's Final Aeon rather than Sin. Zack shitstomps all over Braska's Final Aeon, he doesn't need the power to defeat the actual Sin because not even Tidus and pals combined had the power of all of the Machina used to try to stop Sin proper, and they defeated Jecht.
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Since its already established for the most part that Zack beats Jecht maybe a Sephiroth vs Sin thread should be made so we can test this unkillable thing's power against other villians. Well since the Final Aeons in general can be replaced by others, I'm guessing Jecht wouldn't be that powerful to begin with.
Okay, then why does the final Aeon defeat sin if it's not stronger than it?
It doesn't say the final Aeon becomes it's heart. You are just making that up. It says the final Aeon becomes sin.
This Aeon heart theory has no basis in fact, where as Yunalesca states plain as day that the Aeon becomes sin. How can you deny this?
You are just making up your own versions of the story with no evidence to back them up. Where are you getting this Aeon heart theory, if I may ask? Where in the game does it say this?
Before finding out what Jecht can do as Sin(or the Final Aeon) we have to first investigate how the Final Aeon exactly beats Sin. If a group of guardians could beat a Final Aeon, then Zack would have no problem beating it. From what I know, the Final Aeon that beats Sin becomes it instead however the Sin that everyone is familiar with is constructed out of the Final Aeon by Yu Yevon;kind of making the Final Aeon the controller of Sin without necessarily looking like a large whale creature.
However if the Final Aeon is Sin-and Zack can most likely beat the Final Aeon-then shouldn't that mean Zack should also be able to beat down the outer Sin as well. A>B>C logic is confusing me, forgive me if that explanation is unplausable.
The Final Aeon beats Sin by beating the former Final Aeon. Nowhere is it suggested that a Final Aeon has any chance against the actual Whale Creature, they just kill it's "heart" by killing the former FA, which is much weaker than Sin proper.
Use some common sense for god's sake, any character in FF X would be slaughtered by the real Sin whether it be by Giga Graviton or another powerful city busting attack, the Final Aeon doesn't have anywhere near the power of Sin proper, so Tidus and pals beat it. Jecht as BFA does not have the ability to destroy a city block, much less a mountain range.
That's never specified. Nor is it backed up. They fight sin in the calm lands, or whatever that place is. Not inside sin. The FFX gang going inside sin was the first time that had been done.
You seem to be weighing heavily on the Giga Graviton attack. That one attack does not cancel out all the other evidence.
The FFX gang almost beat sin by themselves, if you remember. At least they wounded it pretty bad, even with it's Giga Graviton attack. So that one attack does not guarantee victory, and the evidence is overwhelmingly staked in my favor.
Your Aeon heart theory has nothing backing it up. Yunalesca states that the FA becomes sin and she also directly states that the FA must defeat sin for this to happen.
Funny how the argument of Jecht being or not being Sin as Braska's Final Aeon actually helps Zack even more. I think I can safely say that Zack is stronger then all the good guys in X. In that case, the fight can go as the following. If the Final Aeon is aseperate entity that just become the basis and controller of Sin, then Zack can just beat it like he beat the Genesis Avatar. If the Final Aeon is the entire creature Sin, then Zack would just WTF stomp Sin all together.
So whatever's wrong or right about the creation of Sin, Zack still wins. When the Final Aeon beats Sin, does it beat the outside and the previous Final Aeon or just the Final Aeon and let the outer Sin collapse on itself?
Really? You think Zack by himself could defeat sin? Where are you getting the idea that Zack is an all powerful god? He's nothing special at all, he's just some guy with some mako enhancements.
In no way ever could Zack defeat sin by himself. I'm not sure Sephiroth beats sin and Sephiroth smokes Zack like a tiny child. You guys are giving Zack WAY too much credit.
As for the last part of your quote, the previous final aeon would die with sin if you killed sin, since they are one in the same.
Hey...Zack beat the Genesis Avatar that was using the lifestream as a power boost so beating Sin can't be far from the truth.
Wait a minute, what is Zack fighting anyway? Is he fighting Sin as a whole or just the Final Aeon? If he fights Sin up front, then yes he gets stomped. I say that Zack wins based on a comparison between the Final Aeon fight and what Zack achieved during Crisis Core(don't judge me).
However if this were a Zack vs Sin thread, it would be closed immediately. Since the Final Aeon making Sin easy theory doesn't work, then what will? Apparently Jecht gets all of Sin's feats even though he isn't fought as the creature itself. I think I made my head hurt now.
Zack is nothing special? Even if this were true his feats make him exponentially more powerful than Tidus, who defeated Jecht in two different games.
Zack was the second most powerful member of SOLDIER, he defeated Genesis Avatar, comparable to Braska's Final Aeon, and bested the goddess of thee planet, Minerva, in combat. Sin is not as powerful as all of Gaia's spirit energy, and the avatar of the whole lifestream accepted Zack as a worthy opponent. Jecht is an ant before his might.
Well at least my argument is getting some kind of help(even if your not trying). However I'm still a little unsure as to count Minerva because you don't have to really complete that mission in order to beat the game; if it is canon though, that would put Zack above Sephiroth(which I'm certainly sure isn't true)
Ever since the Final Aeon Jecht was suggested its turned into Zack vs Sin instead of Zack vs Jecht. So what if Jecht is Sin since he's the Final Aeon? We should have him fight as the Final Aeon instead of giving him all of Sin's feats and then see who wins.
Zack can't kill the outer Sin(I doubt he could even penetrate it). We've got that for the most part. Besides if Tidus and co. could do it, then what's stopping Zack from following suit?
He did? Final Aeon Jecht? By himself? I don't remember that. What games are you talking about?
Where do you get that? Final Aeon Jecht must have beaten the sin before him, and I don't see Zack doing that. Not by himself.
That's a good point. Regardless of any feat you gave give to him from Crisis Core, the plain and simple fact of the matter is Zack can't beat Sephiroth. Either that goddess of the earth isn't that strong, or it's not cannon, or it's simply a contradiction. Either way, he's not that strong. Not strong enough to pretty much accomplish what it took an entire team to do by himself.
The Final Aeon have enough power to penetrate Sin's body and then defeat it. I've played the game and I remember that it is well stated by the characters.
We don't know if Genesis Avatar is as powerful as the Final Aeon, I don't think that Genesis Avatar would defeat the whole Sin, I truly do not.
In fact, Sin is truly powerful due of his size nothing more, but 'size' it doesn't mean power.
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