dbz characters (with peak human abilities) training in 400 times earths gravity puts them easily over the 100 ton mark... closer to 200 tons actually... spidey's in no way stronger physically...
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dammit.. I knew I should have read the first page.... my bad guys...
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Okay, what some of you guys are clearly not understanding is that Goku's "strength" isn't so much his physical strength.
It's a combination of his extreme training, his speed, his precision, his skill, and a bit of power, yes.
At the beginning of Dragonball Z, if Goku really wanted to, I'm sure he could destroy a mountain with a powerful punch.
Spiderman's strength/speed/agility (basically EVERY factor except for intelligence) is completely outclassed by Goku.
And even then, Goku's fighting intelligence makes the Trio look like autistic children. Yes, even Wolverine's.
There is absolutely no way that any of the Trio is even going to touch Goku, he just moves too fast. Even Spidey's spider sense will prove futile against someone who moves as fast as he does.
Hell, Yajorobi or Chou-su could beat all three of them at once. Seriously. DBZ power levels are just insane, even the low-level characters.
true..true.. the power he displayed at the end of dragonball was enough to level an island.. the trio won't be too difficult for him to overcome IMO...
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Once the show gets to the Buu saga and then to the next series DBGT,Superman is the only superhero that is still stronger than the DBZ characters.The Saiyans powers are just unlimited,like Superman's.But if Spidey trained hard enough,could he reach the 100 ton mark?It sucks that such a cool character like Spiderman can only lift 10 tons.
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Unfortuantly we really have nothing to confirm this theaory and has been shown he did have problems with 2 tons. . .
Not at the begining, you're going to have to substaiate these claims.
I would put batman up above Wolverine in this respect, since Batman is onto "chi"/"ki"/"qi" but Wolverine isn't. . . Not to the same degree Goku is but still. . .
And just how fast is that?
But not so much at the begining of DBZ. . . there power levels aren't above 600. . Goku's isn't at least. . .
...Cresh. Come on, man. I really expected more from you here.
Again, I'm saying anything about his lifting strength. Hell, he probably does have trouble with two tons. Too bad he could completely demolish a 150,000,000,000 ton mountain (I just used the same figures as the one that Hulk lifted) with a single powerful punch. Yes, even at the beginning of DBZ.
Just how fast you say? God, he leaves a freakin after image. What more do I need to tell you?
At the beginning of DBZ, Goku's power level was I believe approximately 600. This was after he removed his weighted clothing and whatnot.
Krillin could win just as fast. As well as Master Roshi.
No, after debating in the Goku vs Superman thread for so long I've seen how sorely overrated DBZ really is. Now I absolutly love DBZ, but they no longer get the benefit of the doubt that others give them. They really aren't as over powered as everyone thinks they are.
And struggle with one in the Buu saga, (all the way up in the Buu saga) while he's SSJ2. . . shed's a bit of doubt.
Dragon ball techniques, not necicerily all simple speed. As techniques allow him to move at and much faster than the speed of light for travel, and other techniques allow you to spit out ghost images of yourself that explode, or shoot out energy, that is all the same energy but have vastly different effects.
416 to be precise.
Not sure, again, no real gravity training was done at the begining of DBZ. And the Kamehameha waves didn't come out as quick as they do later on in the series. . .
I was actually referring to his peak power level during the Radditz fight. It hit approximately 600.
So, you believe that the after image is just produced cuz he wants to? Well, I think you're wrong. From my many years of watching the show and researching it, it appears that he just moves that fast to the point where is image hasn't left your eye yet. Even though he's already moved somewhere else.
Goku never displayed strength to punch a moutain apart at the beginning of DBZ (during the Raditz fight). Wolverine, Spiderman, and Batman all are faster than the human eye could see, so there not slow either. Goku wieghts he had on his body, was only, 416 pounds, he's physically isn't that strong from the others.
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As I said you can't really tell, because they have an energy available to them that allows them to do all sorts of different things. including Gotenks's ghosts, I mean they are sentient indepent entities that are a technique that Buu was able to mimic. . . And then you can make this energy act in a veriety of different ways.
The after image technique might, or it might not be solely speed based, it might or it might not be some wierd technique like IT or the ghosts. . .
what does speed matter? if goku can use an omnidirectional blast like he did at the end of db against piccolo that leveled an island.. what's to stop him from using one against these three...
not to mention the fact that he single handedly took apart the red ribbon army when he was a child....
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the onl thing that's funny is how you think he couldn't do any more damage besides the fact that he was millions of times stronger than someone who could destroy a planet with the wave of his hand.. even though it's already been explained for you how the attack was concentrated not to destroy more than was necessary... why you still ignore such points I don't know...
as children? all of them...
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[ And yet Vegeta didn't. . majin Vegeta even. ALL of his energy expended in an omnidirectional blast, winds up killing him, causing a crater anmd. . not much else. . .
Yes a concentrated omnidirectional blast that expended all of his energy. . . riiiight. . .
ALL of his energy and yet pfft. . . killed him. . . big crater. . . nothing else.
Because they don't make sense.
He expended all of his energy. ALL of it, every last drop, nothing remaining. Nada, zippo, zilch. And I'm to believe that this being that is sooo much stronger than a planet destroyer used up all of his energy and didn't accomplish anything. Oh yes because it was aconcentrated. . in an omnidirectional sorta way. . .
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