The strongest villain in X-Men

Originally posted by magnuslives
i missed the whole legion thing - didn't he lead to AoA or something by killing his dad by accident? in that case he caused a LOT of havok to say the least.

Yup, he traveled back in time and killed Xavier on accident. He used some sort of psychic knife, one that would put Betsy's to shame.

Legion led to the destruction of the original 616 timeline. The current one is different and has been slightly altered, since Bishop traveled back in time and stopped Legion. So technically Legion killed every being in the 616 universe.

Cassandra Nova is responsible for the death of 16 million mutants and near fall of the shi'ar empire.

Onslaught killed a couple of heroes that were resurrected a while later. That doesn't compare with anything CN and Legion did.

She also outed Xavier to the world. Regardless of whether she was the strongest villain Cassandra Nova was an awesome villain.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She also outed Xavier to the world. Regardless of whether she was the strongest villain Cassandra Nova was an awesome villain.

She also had a great impact on many x-men. For example Cyclops, after sending him to his bug room.

Dark Phoenix is the strongest, but for me much interesting is Magneto, and with any doubt I would pick Magneto's powers over Jean's, they have some personal mark, Phoenix powers are too omnipotent and non-personal...if you know what i mean...

Originally posted by argesilen
Dark Phoenix is the strongest, but for me much interesting is Magneto, and with any doubt I would pick Magneto's powers over Jean's, they have some personal mark, Phoenix powers are too omnipotent and non-personal...if you know what i mean...

Phoenix' powers are pretty far away from omnipotent, but yeah she's powerful.

I still think that both Legion and CN caused more destruction than Dark Phoenix. When DP destroyed a planet, it didn't really impact anyone on earth. CN took out Genosha and well Legion destroyed the Marvel Timeline.

Since there are no set standards to what qualifies as omnipotence, I think it's pretty safe to say that an immortal lifeforce of the universe, with virtually unlimited power to manipulate space/time/matter/energy/mind is omnipotent by most mortal standards. Compared to Magneto, especially back then, the Dark Phoenix is Omnipotent.
The thread is not about who is the most destructive it's about who was the strongest, but if it were about destruction, destroying Genosha with the aid of giant robots it noting compared to annihilating an entire star system, she killed like 4,984,000,000 more lifeforms than CN did, what DP did alerted many races to the threat it posed to the universe not just Earth. Any time traveler can go back in time and kill magneto, I think the more interesting parts about AOA was that, the reality was really set for destruction because Jean was never an Xman and never became Phoenix to save everything from M'Kraan.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He does offer to reunite her with the Phoenix Force and as he does so a visualization is presented to illustrate his offer. It was a visual aid to help him tempt Jean to his side. Nowhere is it stated or depicted that that is anything but an astral representation:

Your mistake is in not taking into consideration, the fact that they were in the astral plane and therefore it was possible it was just a visualization

Your mistake was not acknowledging continuity that tells us that was not the Phoenix Force because Jean didnt have anything to do with it since she lost it in X-factor 65 and regained her host status in New X-men 120.

Go to Jean Greys bio, or go to the Phoenix Forces bio and please point out a reference to the Phoenix Force being crushed in Onslaughts hand.

Please find me a scan stating or demonstrating that that was the actual Phoenix Force and not a visualization presented by Onsluaght as a visual aid for his offer.

You wont find one. 🙂

Why? 😕

Visualization. 😉

Continuity contradicts you, on panel accounts provide you with no support. Youre on your own.

No unlike you, I don't make my own interpretations. I go by whats one panel. and on panel he crushed the phoenix. Unless they say it's not the actual force, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No unlike you, I don't make my own interpretations. I go by whats one panel. and on panel he crushed the phoenix. Unless they say it's not the actual force, you don't have a leg to stand on.

You're so far beyond helpless that it's not even funny....

Yeah posting facts isn't necessary when you can just insult someone because they don't agree with you.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yeah posting facts isn't necessary when you can just insult someone because they don't agree with you.

Galactic Storm provided proof.

You're ignorant.

dur.

No he provided his interpretation. Nothing in that issue says it wasn't the Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No he provided his interpretation. Nothing in that issue says it wasn't the Phoenix Force.

Using the same logic, nothing says it is either. he provided more than a interpretation when he posted scans of jean purging herself of left over phoenix power and when he posted scans of jean taking on the phoenix only in name, and finally the scans in which she begins to channel the phoenix power again as a result of her so called secondary mutation. Jean is already at his feet when the smoke clears from him "crushing the phoenix" smoke which is still in his hand, with no imagery of him ripping anything from jean because she wasn't wielding the phoenix, i think you put too much stock in the color of her psi attack she clearly was not using the phoenix it was an image that was either above her or behind, and not in the sense of being behind her because she was in the middle of it, in the sense that it was a part of the background.

No, what we see is him offering to reunite her with the Phoenix Force, thus making it appear. Then when she refuses he crushes it. That's what happens on panel without subjective interpretation.

Apocalypse, Cassandra Nova or Onslaught.

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Apocalypse, Cassandra Nova or Onslaught.

All of whom are inferior to the phoenix.

Onslaught crushed the Phoenix Force.

I agree with Vin, it comes down to C Nova or Onslaught.

Originally posted by Soljer
All of whom are inferior to the phoenix.

and the Phoenix did what? Crushed the D'bari planet, big deal. We had like one comic where the last survivor came back to take revenge. The dark phoenix didn't have much of an impact on the x-men as a villain, not compared to Apocalypse, CN, Onslaught or Legion.

Though Dark Phoenix was undoubtedly the strongest.

Putting aside for a second the fact that it was crushed in Onslaughts hand. It took more to take down Onslaught then Dark Phoenix.

The Dark Phoenix had a huge impact on the X-men, because she was of them, up until jean died again the memories of the dark phoenix has haunted the xmen whenever jean got a power upgrade and especially when she began calling herself phoenix again. The Shi'ar have been impacted so much that they eradicated the grey genome just to prevent another Dark Phoenix. Cable said that even in the very distant future people told stories about the dark phoenix to frighten young telepaths. She did not crush D'bari, she ate it's sun a very big difference.
Once they figured out how to defeat Onslaught it took little effort to put him down all they had to do was run into him and attack. NOBODY, took dark phoenix down. She went up against all the Xmen, the imperial guard and the warship of the Shi'ar empress, and all they managed to do was buy the consciousness of jean enough time to "end" her life. and yes lets put aside it being crushed in his hand because it's a ridiculous claim.