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guy222
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...and your point is?

Beyonder killed Death. Beyonders can also. Its speculation, but Beyonders are greater than Beyonder and Owen Reece

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Beyonder killed Death. Beyonders can also. Its speculation, but Beyonders are greater than Beyonder and Owen Reece

They are now because Beyonder and Owen Reece got retconned. Don't you get it?

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I don't think all the true beyonders combined would have the power to wipe all of death from existence. Besides even if they did, the LT wouldn't allow it.

He wouldn't but if we take the LT from the secret wars then he wasn't gonna be capable of doing anything of that kind against the current Beyonders.

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They are now because Beyonder and Owen Reece got retconned. Don't you get it?

I will still say that the current Beyonders are above pre-retcon Beyonder but its speculation so its all just ones different opinion on the subject.

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I will still say that the current Beyonders are above pre-retcon Beyonder but its speculation so its all just ones different opinion on the subject.

Beyonders are

Beyonder is an Inhuman(Wat a joke)

Has anyone seen Owen Reece?

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LT back then begged Molecule Man for help

No he didn't. confused

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Uatu did, LT said what... 5 words during the entire Secret Wars II "Thus passed the old ways"

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No he didn't.

Yeah, he was among the group of cosmics begging for MM's help against the Beyonder

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Yeah, he was among the group of cosmics begging for MM's help against the Beyonder

I saw Utau and Eternity plea to MM.

LT never did anything.

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He wouldn't but if we take the LT from the secret wars then he wasn't gonna be capable of doing anything of that kind against the current Beyonders.

Yes he would because the LT was never officially retconned.

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I will still say that the current Beyonders are above pre-retcon Beyonder but its speculation so its all just ones different opinion on the subject.

Classic Beyonder was greater than all of Marvel.
All the true Beyonders combined are less than the LT who is less than Classic Beyonder since the LT was never officially retconned.

Aug 24th, 2007 06:41 PM

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I saw Utau and Eternity plea to MM.

LT never did anything.

But the In-Betweener refered to all the Cosmics there (including the LT)

as being "Desperate" because of the Beyonder.

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So while the LT said nothing, the LT did feel the same despair as the rest.

A feeling of helplessness and hopelessness.

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But the In-Betweener refered to all the Cosmics there (including the LT)

as being "Desperate" because of the Beyonder.

So while the LT said nothing, the LT did feel the same despair as the rest.

A feeling of helplessness and hopelessness.

This was the original statement:

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LT back then begged Molecule Man for help

[implying LT was on his hands and knees begging MM to help].

These were my responses to that:

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No he didn't.

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I saw Utau and Eternity plea to MM.

LT never did anything.

What I stated was very much correct.

Though LT was one of the beings featured when the other beings were begging to MM.... LT himself, did nothing. smile

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This was the original statement:
[implying LT was on his hands and knees begging MM to help].

These were my responses to that:

What I stated was very much correct.

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Though LT was one of the beings featured when the other beings were begging to MM.... LT himself, did nothing.

Except feel Desperation due to the Beyonder. stick out tongue

Desperate:

"feeling, showing,
or involving a hopeless sense that a situation is so bad as to be impossible to deal with"

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Except feel Desperation due to the Beyonder.

Un-vocally feeling something, isn't the same as begging. stick out tongue

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Un-vocally feeling something, isn't the same as begging.

He didn't say the LT was begging. You said the LT did nothing and Master pointed out that the LT did do something- feel desperaton. stick out tongue

Aug 24th, 2007 07:03 PM

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Yes he would because the LT was never officially retconned.

Classic Beyonder was greater than all of Marvel.
All the true Beyonders combined are less than the LT who is less than Classic Beyonder since the LT was never officially retconned.

No he hasn't but as previous explained he has received power upgrades du to the expantion of the marvel universe.

He was yes in 86, today even if he would still exist with TOAA have come into the picture and the Handbook specify LT being the only below him I would put current LT above the Old Beyonder the LT back then is another story.

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No he hasn't but as previous explained he has received power upgrades du to the expantion of the marvel universe.

He didn't receive an upgrade, that would be the same as a retcon. The LT has simply performed more impressive feats since then.

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Originally posted by Utrigita
He was yes in 86, today even if he would still exist with TOAA have come into the picture and the Handbook specify LT being the only below him I would put current LT above the Old Beyonder the LT back then is another story.

First of all, the handbook would be different if Classic Beyonder still existed. Why is it so hard for you to admit that Classic Beyonder is greater than the LT?

Aug 25th, 2007 06:35 AM

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He didn't receive an upgrade, that would be the same as a retcon. The LT has simply performed more impressive feats since then.

First of all, the handbook would be different if Classic Beyonder still existed. Why is it so hard for you to admit that Classic Beyonder is greater than the LT?

So you don't think holding and crushing two megaverses in his palm is a upgrade??? and he couldn't have preformed it back in 86 where the marvel universe was just a multiverse today its a omniverse.

I really doesn't think so, Jim Shooter who created Beyonder would have been in charge no longer, and thus Beyonder would have been downplayed to be below the LT, he created him to be the supreme being and he was, but it changed and even if the next editor hadn't hated beyonder he would still have downplayed his significans and most certainly his level of power in regarding to LT. And even if the editor hadn't hated beyonder he would still have been tied to the Beyonders and thus being Below LT, no matter how you turn it the Handbook today and the handbook from that back is hard to use because a lot have happend both inside of marvel and on the outside as well.

I'm not having a problem with the Classic Beyonder being above the 86 LT but again IMO the LT that exist today is above Classic Beyonder. Perhaps you doesn't see a difference between the two but I do.

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