Pein takes on the rest of the Akatsuki

Originally posted by Wil7
because he could point at all six bodies and get them all stuck in genjutsu,

Originally posted by Wil7
burn them with amaterasu

Originally posted by Wil7
, get them stuck in tsukiyomi,

Originally posted by Wil7
use susanno to kill them all,

Originally posted by Wil7
etc. For all we know, Itachi could have tons of water style jutsu's, fire style jutsu's, earth style jutsu's, and more.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And they can just bust right out with chakra release.

I'm curious as to how he'll kill them all with Amaterasu given that you have to look at your target for it to work so he could only kill the ones he was looking at...

Yeah because Pain will totally look at his eyes. Anyway, Kirabi showed us that this can be broken with outside assistance and Pain has six bodies to help out.

Might be trickier, but you actually need to hit your opponent for this one to work, so they would just stay hidden until it burned out.

Really? We've seen his fire jutsu's but I see no proof of him being good with other elements.

He doesn't need to lokk at them all. Look how much he burned Jiraiya's "Toad Mouth Trap" Are you saying that he wasn't looking at the whole thing but a little part of it. Tsukiyomi affects your soul. The first time Itachi fought Sasuke and he used it, his eyes were closed, and when he used it, his eyes opened up. He would be waiting a long time, and Susanoo won't be sitting there, it will attak, plus defend. He used water style attacks. Don't you remember? The first fight with Kakashi. You see him use 2 water style jutsu's.

Pretty sure that was Kisame with the water jutsu.

Actually, Itachi did use one Water Jutsu I can kinda remember, the name escapes me though

Originally posted by Pyron_Express
Then you obviously arent trying hard enough. :/

Or better yet have your eyes checked?

Not everyone thinks Itachi could beat Pein, one on one Pein would win.

Originally posted by Wil7
Everything you said about Itachi is true. It does affect the soul. That is why Itachi could beat Pein, because he could point at all six bodies and get them all stuck in genjutsu, burn them with amaterasu, get them stuck in tsukiyomi, use susanno to kill them all, etc. For all we know, Itachi could have tons of water style jutsu's, fire style jutsu's, earth style jutsu's, and more. Itachi beats Pein, but close because of Pein's six bodies.

This is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever read. Itachi gets pain stuck in genjutsu? Any high level ninja can break out of genjutsu via chakra release. Let alone a super high level ninja like pain. How many times can itachi even use amaterasu before damaging his eyes? Cuz he wud have to use it at least six times( assuming every attempt connects) for him to use that strategy to defeat pain. As for susano, we really never saw it move. we dont know its speed so i assume pain can stay out of range. also for how long can itachi even use susano? Heck after using amaterasu and Tsukuyumi against sasuke itachi needed to go and rest. The mangekyo sharingan while very powerful would be almost useless against pain instead being very detrimental to itachi cuz it takes so much chakra and wud achieve little against someone with multiple revivable bodies.

I'm confused by the way this debate is working out. Is this now Itachi vs Pein? Or is it still Pein vs Akatsuki?

If so, then once again Pein < Akatsuki

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Not everyone thinks Itachi could beat Pein, one on one Pein would win.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
This is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever read. Itachi gets pain stuck in genjutsu? Any high level ninja can break out of genjutsu via chakra release. Let alone a super high level ninja like pain. How many times can itachi even use amaterasu before damaging his eyes? Cuz he wud have to use it at least six times( assuming every attempt connects) for him to use that strategy to defeat pain. As for susano, we really never saw it move. we dont know its speed so i assume pain can stay out of range. also for how long can itachi even use susano? Heck after using amaterasu and Tsukuyumi against sasuke itachi needed to go and rest. The mangekyo sharingan while very powerful would be almost useless against pain instead being very detrimental to itachi cuz it takes so much chakra and wud achieve little against someone with multiple revivable bodies.

1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).

2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.

3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.

4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.

5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.

6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.

Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has. Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes, and if he closes his eyes, Itachi would burn them all with amaterasu, and if he tries to fight him while looking at his feet, well that is what Itachi wants him to do, because Pein doesn't have the training like Gai does looking at feet. Look at the facts, Itachi has unlimited fire style, and probably water style jutsu's, sharingan would copy Pein's jutsu's such as his arrow move, and absorbtion move(they are not Rinnegan moves), Ephermal(he would just point at him, close your eyes on that/ you can't), Tsukiyomi he might be able to avoid, Amaterasu he might be able to avoid but Itachi would keep following one of Pein's bodies around and then use it, Susanno(good luck), etc. Pein has 6 bodies which gives him an advantage, Rinnegan which copies any ninjutsu, sealing jutsu's: tailed beasts, absorbtion with one of his bodies, can shoot arrows with one of his bodies, summon fierce rain, 5 seal barrier, etc. Itachi beats Pein.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).

2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.

3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.

4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.

5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.

6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.

Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has. Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes, and if he closes his eyes, Itachi would burn them all with amaterasu, and if he tries to fight him while looking at his feet, well that is what Itachi wants him to do, because Pein doesn't have the training like Gai does looking at feet. Look at the facts, Itachi has unlimited fire style, and probably water style jutsu's, sharingan would copy Pein's jutsu's such as his arrow move, and absorbtion move(they are not Rinnegan moves), Ephermal(he would just point at him, close your eyes on that/ you can't), Tsukiyomi he might be able to avoid, Amaterasu he might be able to avoid but Itachi would keep following one of Pein's bodies around and then use it, Susanno(good luck), etc. Pein has 6 bodies which gives him an advantage, Rinnegan which copies any ninjutsu, sealing jutsu's: tailed beasts, absorbtion with one of his bodies, can shoot arrows with one of his bodies, summon fierce rain, 5 seal barrier, etc. Itachi beats Pein.

I will assume in this post that u You are joking. First of all, Tsukuyumi is no normal genjutsu and the fact of the matter is u have to look into his eyes to use it so it is not one of the one finger genjutsus u previously talked about. Also, are u actually comparing naruto and pain? Cuz naruto at the level he was at then is nowhere near half as powerful as pain.

2. Where did u get the idea that u need to make a hand sign to break out of genjutsu? Please stop making thing up. You simply need to regain control of ur chakra flow. For someone llike pain its easy.

3. Why would one of pains bodies touch Amaterasu? So one of pains bodies wud see his fellow body burning with black fire and wud go to touch the black fire? lol 😂

4. Its not about reach, its about speed. It is very easily dodgeable.

5. Very long time? Please where are u getting this?Once again stop making this up. Using Amatarasu only once and then Tsukuyumi for a short time takes up most of itachis chakra. I highlu doubt he can use Susano for a very long time.

6. I wud think that Pain being the leader of Akatsuki and reporting to Madara another MS user wud know about their eyes. Also its practically common knowledge that when fighting a sharingan user u shud not look into his eyes. Even granny chiyo knew it.

Now to the last part. Amaterasu is easily dodgeable or blockable( using summons). Itachi also has to actually look at what he wants it to burn and cant use it more than once( at most maybe twice). Pain has six bodies which will all be attacking from different sides, there is no way in hell that itachi will get all of them in genjutsu. Also even if he does, pain easily broke out of Jiraiyas ultimate genjutsu so aside maybe Tsukuyumi pain will be able to break out easily of any genjutsu itachi may try.( though its unlikely that itachi will even get him in any). Itachi will copy pains absorption move? or his arrow move? Are u ok? When has the sharingan ever copied a move that does not make use of hand seals? 🤣 Susano is very easily avoidable with speed as well. Not to mention by the time itachi brings it out he will prorbably have used up all his chakra and therefore die on his own. Itachi cant even come close to killing pain with his ninjitsu, will have an his genjutsu rendered ineffective, and wud get his soul pulled out if he tries to use taijutsu. Further, using His MS will probably kill him before pain does.

Originally posted by Wil7
1. I didn't see Kakashi break out of Tsukiyomi, and didn't see Naruto break out of Ephermal(Chiyo released it).

Originally posted by Wil7
2. How would Pein break out of it when you need to make a hand sign to break it and your arms are tied, so Pein is screwed here.

Originally posted by Wil7
3. Amaterasu keeps burning so if even one of Pein's bodies touches amaterasu, there goes another body.

Originally posted by Wil7
4. Look at the size of Susanno. That thing has such a long reach, it would destroy all the bodies without even moving.

Summon something to get themselves out of there.

Reverse-summon the bodies that have been summoned.

Dodge.

Get out of range.

Hungry Ghost body can absorb it's attacks.

Originally posted by Wil7
5. Susanno has to burn out and that takes a very long time.

Originally posted by Wil7
6. Getting one body stuck in there is all he needs, because it takes less than a second to do its job, and Itachi would keep it going. Pein doesn't know about his eyes, so he would look into them, and that will be it.

Originally posted by Wil7
Amaterasu keeps burning unless sealed away, and Pein won't have the time to do that. Susanno will crush Pein because of the reach it has.

Originally posted by Wil7
Pein doesn't know about not looking into his eyes,

Originally posted by King Kandy
I did however see Kirabi break out of Tsukiyomi... easily.

Using his Bijuu, not his chakra in any possible way.

I don't see why people think that Itachi can spam attacks in a DBZ fashion when all those attacks drain him considerably...

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Using his Bijuu, not his chakra in any possible way.

He escaped by having the Bijuu do the equivalent of tapping his shoulder and telling him to wake the **** up. It's not something you can do by yourself.

Yeah, Blax is right...Though someone with knowledge of it like Pein won't actually look in his eyes. 😐

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
He escaped by having the Bijuu do the equivalent of tapping his shoulder and telling him to wake the **** up. It's not something you can do by yourself.

The Tsukiyomi can trap multiple people, hence why Kakashi stressed that Kurenai and Asuma close their eyes as well, otherwise they would have also been ensnared.

That wasn't my point, though. I don't care about tsukiyomi vs. Pein, I was just pointing out that your reasoning in that instance sucked. Wil said that Kakashi and Naruto couldn't break out, you replied that Eight-tails did. Eight-tails breaking out is irrelevant though because he had the Bijuu inside him, which counts as another person, something Kakashi and Naruto don't have the luxury of having.

My point was that if you have help you can escape, and it directly ties in to the fact that Pein has six bodies to help eachother.