WTF? Some guys here think that Broly in LSS would give SS4 Vegeta a hard time? Or am I assuming too much facepalm?
I mean, if Broly were allowed to accumulate power (perhaps even ascend to higher forms like LSS3 or LSS4) and train hard to master said forms or LSS, then sure, he'd win. But the Broly we've seen in the movies loses, even against SS2 Vegeta 😬.
Both are already non-canon so meh.
Ok...I LOVE Broly seriously...especially in the new game in the what if where he gets SSJ3 ;D...but seriously...
..ok...we're talking about
*counts*
at THE VERY LEAST..2 lvls higher..and i'm being generous....I love Brolly and in the back of my mind i'll always pretend he beats everything but seriously SSJ4 is too far out of his league.
Vegeta. The strength of him in the Broly fight compared to him at the end of GT, then times it by whatever to get SSJ4. As Goku could beat a stronger Freeza and Cell without much effort or SSJ form, Vegeta by the end should be at least that level of power if not more (as normal). (Btw where are the stronger Freeza and Cell in GT together when compared to Broly?)
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I consider LSS to be roughly very high end SS2, but not quite at SS3 level. Under that mentality, SS4 should logically be a stomp in Vegeta's favour.
And I consider it, based on the fact that neither Gohan nor Goku were full power super saiyans, that Broli is just a really high level SSJ, and not even at the level of a full power super saiyan.
Here's the logic:
Vegeta, at SSJ, kicked android 19 and 20s asses. Then, he got his ass utterly handed to him by 17 and 18. It was a stomp. Just as bad if not worse than Broli's stomp against the Z fighters.
Imperfect cell RAPED the shit out of android 17. 17 was stronger than 18.
Vegeta did training in the HBTC. The power gap was HUGE between Semi-Perfect Cell and Vegeta: much further than imperfect cell and 17.
Then, Perfect Cell raped the shit out of HBTC trained Vegeta. Rather easily.
THEN, HBTC trained Goku was almost dead even with Perfect Cell.
So, going by that logic, Vegeta and Trunks, (with trunks having long hair, proving that he had trained in the HBTC), and Gohan and Goku BEFORE they had reached full power SSJ (because they were not in the constant state of SSJ, like the FPSSJ form has).
By that logic, Goku and Gohan would have utterly raped Broli. Goku was outclassed, for sure, but it wasn't an utter stomp as Goku was able to hang in there for quite some time.
The difference between pre-HBTC Goku and post is HUGE. It is ridiculous. Vegeta and Goku were about the same before either trained in the HBTC. The power gap for Vegeta, himself, is very large. The power gap between Goku and Vegeta trained is huge.
pre-HBTC trained Goku = pre-HBTC Vegeta (about equal. Some say the Vegeta might have been a tad stronger.)
Post HBTC trained Vegeta >>>>> pre-HBTC trained Goku.
Post HBTC trainedVegeta <<< Post-HBTC trained Goku.
Full power SSJ Broli >> SSJ Goku. (Probably with a tad bit of HBTC training.)
SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>> Perfect Cell. (He was owning his ass and he was just toying with him.)
Perfect Cell is more powerful than Broli, no doubt. He is definitely significantly faster. I would put their Ki energy levels around the same...with Perfect Cell being slightly higher.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And I consider it, based on the fact that neither Gohan nor Goku were full power super saiyans, that Broli is just a really high level SSJ, and not even at the level of a full power super saiyan.Here's the logic:
Vegeta, at SSJ, kicked android 19 and 20s asses. Then, he got his ass utterly handed to him by 17 and 18. It was a stomp. Just as bad if not worse than Broli's stomp against the Z fighters.
Imperfect cell RAPED the shit out of android 17. 17 was stronger than 18.
Vegeta did training in the HBTC. The power gap was HUGE between Semi-Perfect Cell and Vegeta: much further than imperfect cell and 17.
Then, Perfect Cell raped the shit out of HBTC trained Vegeta. Rather easily.
THEN, HBTC trained Goku was almost dead even with Perfect Cell.
So, going by that logic, Vegeta and Trunks, (with trunks having long hair, proving that he had trained in the HBTC), and Gohan and Goku BEFORE they had reached full power SSJ (because they were not in the constant state of SSJ, like the FPSSJ form has).
By that logic, Goku and Gohan would have utterly raped Broli. Goku was outclassed, for sure, but it wasn't an utter stomp as Goku was able to hang in there for quite some time.
The difference between pre-HBTC Goku and post is HUGE. It is ridiculous. Vegeta and Goku were about the same before either trained in the HBTC. The power gap for Vegeta, himself, is very large. The power gap between Goku and Vegeta trained is huge.
pre-HBTC trained Goku = pre-HBTC Vegeta (about equal. Some say the Vegeta might have been a tad stronger.)
Post HBTC trained Vegeta >>>>> pre-HBTC trained Goku.
Post HBTC trainedVegeta <<< Post-HBTC trained Goku.Full power SSJ Broli >> SSJ Goku. (Probably with a tad bit of HBTC training.)
SSJ2 Gohan >>>>>> Perfect Cell. (He was owning his ass and he was just toying with him.)
Perfect Cell is more powerful than Broli, no doubt. He is definitely significantly faster. I would put their Ki energy levels around the same...with Perfect Cell being slightly higher.
Vegeta wins. /end
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zeroa ssj2 that seemed even weaker that a fpssj, didn't show any signs that he was a ssj2, and had help from a wish that wasn't even granted. (no dragon, didn't call out the dragon, and the balls had more than one wish. That means goku wasn't actually there, no wish was actually made, and we have 3 low to mid level ssjs against a ussj with the speed of a fpssj.) the fact that broli got chunks of his belly and chest punched off of his body, he exploded at the gaping wound hole just punched across his torso, and the dragon balls can't bring someone back to this world from other world, more thN points to that
Considering it took a SSJ, a SSJ2, and post Cell Goku simultaneously to actually kill Broly in the end tells me otherwise.