It's just an example of you trying to shoehorn a term for a simple answer to a challenging question that you yourself made, an answer that is in no way shape or form important/or influential as argumentative tool for me when I've said so much on my own, I simply brought it back up to demonstrate your novice level fallacy accusation spamming style that has no substance compared to what I deliver. It was an aside answer to small question, nothing more.
And I've addressed everything you said here, disagree with the feats, fine, you've still yet to demonstrate the actual ability to REBUKE (or even attempt to) what I've established as quantifiable feats.
And what did you respond to in the NF thread, neglect to say and then address here? Nothing. You didn't even attempt to respond to anything but the Lloyd issue (which isn't even close to anything that would be a make or break issue for Dart winning) there and had absolutely no counter-argument to the rest of my NF multi-post. And in this thread, all you had was a tiny post that did nothing but mildly disagree with a few lines to some things, no 'counter-argument' whatsoever--that would require substance, which your posts don't have much of. I'm not going to repeat myself on things my multi-post already addressed in detail.
You've don't have anything for me.
back to ignore for you.
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No? Do I have to quote what you said? Because you pretty much admitted that since most users agreed with Dart's victory, then he wins. So I guess you DID commit the fallacy. And so far you were the only one making arguments for him. And I was the only one actually arguing with you, and not necessarily for Auron, simply refuting some of Dart's ''feats'' that I didn't agree with, because I've played the game, so I know about it. That's it. Don't be angry just because someone disagrees with you.
As for rebuke your posts, I have already said it's too long, honestly I don't have time to do it. It doesn't mean I can't because I lack arguments. Just pointing that out for ya. The same goes for your 6-long post back in NF.
And of course I disagree with you, we have different ways of debating, and I don't usually use gameplay. Oh well.
Except i can't quantify it preoperly because we don't really lmow how fast that was. Like a few meters in a second?
Still people in other FF actualy have supersonic feats, making them 760mph(mach 1) fast at least.
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Also Cosmic, did you really have to post an entire respect thread for this?
Really that is ridiculously excessive and you don't win the argument because your points are great, you win it because no one is bothered enough to respond to an entire page of text.
That is a ridiculous and frankly bad form of debating. No one is goign to respond to that leviathan of text not because it is irrefutable but because it would just take too much time =/
And lol at them being massively hypersonic in CQC.
They have not shown any hypersonic combat. Flying up the atmosphere is a travel speed feat.
Last edited by Enfathiel on Feb 27th, 2011 at 07:24 PM
-Oh? So you're saying that you'll be able to find a quote where I stated that Dart beats Auron because a lot of people said so and then never had an actual argument of my own? Or will you only find the actual quote, which stated (at the very opening of the post and nothing after) nothing more than Auron gets to be added as a victory for Dart on the OBD wiki because a lot of people said so--which then immediately ends and I get to my actual argument bit?
I'll save you the trouble and repost the quote as it specifically relates to Dart vs Auron being added as a victory for the former on the wiki:
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That was all that I said on that front. That's it.
Dart beats Auron simply due to better feats. Dart got Auron as a victory for the OBD wiki because no one could make a case for Auron beating Dart on any feat front. The latter is not even important for the actual debate portion. Do you -somehow- understand the distinction better now? I believe not.
-Sure buddy. You keep telling yourself that you have responses lined up for the simple to comprehend quantifications I've made, while you come up with figures like 1 mile being equivalent to 1400 kilometers and the moon being only a mile deep. (again, you aren't too bright are you?)
-Oh what a coincidence. I don't use gameplay either. I only use canon. I'm glad we agree on something.
But yeah, I've done your work for you. No more false ends between us now that the pretense of me distorting a past statement is displayed plainly as false.
No, the points are good AND he can't refute it. It's simply my debate style to show as many examples as possible to those not in the actual debate.
'Travel feat'? Expected counterpoint and one that is very easy to brush aside. That would only be viable as a counter if they weren't actually able to move their limbs or otherwise react to things while going at full speeds and only used it to go quickly from point A to point B in a very linear fashion that would require no steering.
Not the case here: Kongol is able to react in time to punch the incoming meteor which is fast in and of itself, but he's also making the time even shorter by flying at full speed to meet it head on. The Dragoons are also able to maneuver around the floating rocks inside the moon while they were jetting it out of there trying to make it to safety as well, and at those speeds they ended up getting dozens of miles away in seconds.
if you've read this thread you'll see the point of why this was listed as a victory. Other than one poster, who was joking, everyone has called it a victory for Dart.
So everyone has called victory for Dart, therefore Dart wins. There is the fallacy. Thank you.
You don't use gameplay? Then why those videos you posted are from gameplay stances and flashy battle animations...?
I'm too bright? Says the guy who claims he has a Legend Of Dragoon TIME-FRAME! Just because when the characters defeats a boss they are seen standing in the same place they were before fighting! Lol. So the FFV characters must fight ExDeath at the speed of light since they don't even move from the place they were before fighting him! But hey, I am SOOO incompetent.
Sure, Dart may beat Auron, but that doesn't mean I agree with most of those Dart's feats you're trying to pull out from your ass with lame usage of hypothesis.
Really, you posted a whole respect thread into this argument.....no one is going to bother to respond to that. Just post his best feats for strenght speed so what.
Don't post evey single feat he ever had.
Do you have some personal grudge with Auron or something? This was a rape thread from the start.
If you really want a good thread try placing Datz against a well-feated FF character like Zidane, Kuja, Cloud, Sephiroth, Terra, kefka , Mateus, Golbez, Llednar and so on...
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