You know that much of what you stated was your opinion, so do try to keep your projections in check in the future. Your opinion, does not mean that everyone agrees.
The Hulk is a Herald level character, with weaknesses like many other characters. the Thing, and Colossus are top tiers, Skaar is even in the Herald bracket. You see the Hulk increases in power, as you know, so putting him any fixed tier is simply a fallacy, then again I'm sure you knew this.
Prove that Xavier could effect the Hulk... exactly, you can't, nor could he, as written. Am I supposed to be afraid of this exposure routine that you've developed? So what I don't know the comic word for word, I'll just take your word for it, wasn't that simple? .
What did the ray do to the Hulk again? Strip him of his ability to harness gamma rays correct? A plot device right? Didn't he beg someone to stop him, because of the fact that he was about to destroy all life on the planet correct? Look, while you're exposing me... LOL... please try not to leave certain parts out, in order to deceive those that don't know the full story into believing the BS that your cooking up.
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what I stated about Thor is a comic book fact. You incorrectly assumed the ufoes attacked him while on the ground no it was after he batted the sentry away. I am right you are wrong. deal with it.
Colossus and the Thing aren't top tiers, at all.
Anything and everything the hulk did didn't have him rank past elite top tier. Nothing. Pretend he did but then again you thought no one on earth could stop him when strange could with one twitch of his finger. This was a severely depowered Strange to boot.
So you think xavier was full out bloodlusted trying to kill him there ? Really ?
who cares what the ray did strange himsel could beat him with one twitch. Dead. Rulk killed the Hulk easily with one weapon. Dead.
The heroes weren't trying to kill the Hulk...Reed wasn't xavier wasn't....strange at first wasn't until he broke his hands effectively neutering him........
Hulk also had his warbound aiding him throughout the story.
Rulk killed the Surfer easily as well. At the moment that he nearly went World Breaker, there was no one on the planet, that could stop him, if Strange could have, he would have, or do you believe that he was so dumb that he would let guilt overcome his chance to save the planet? Get it together.
Thor was in a fight with Sentry, and it taxed him, which gave him a panels worth of time to prepare for another bombardment. It's not as if the U-Foes are total weaklings as you have tried to make them. Vector alone is a near force of nature.
Yes Really Xavier and Emma were unable to break through the Hulks rage, and it was deflected back upon them. This was written in the book, and even though you may dislike the taste of the outcome, it was, what it was. I disliked the fact that the moment that the Hulk came back to earth, that his obscure upgrades were ignored. by the time that he left Sakaar, he was far stronger than he was when WW Hulk began. Sink the Eastern Seaboard??!? Pshahh, shyt the guy held a planet together in a near calm state, and yet he was only nearly going to undermine the foundation of Xaviers Mansion. The power that he exhibited on Sakaar defies the fact that he even had to extend more than 10% of his strength BFRing Cain. Colossus should have been ripped in 2 pieces.
WW Hulk was simply mishandled, and left me wondering how they went from brilliance (Planet Hulk) to shyt in less than six months. Sentry was the most powerful foe that the Hulk went up against, as it was written, Zom/Strange was a wimp, and the hulk didn't even build up to World Breaker levels with him, or he would have gotten stuffed into a trash can somewhere. You seem to forget that the hulk is not on a static level of power, and that he can increase in power. Hopefully your next post will acknowledge this small but important fact.
You said earlier, that Glory didn't have enough exposure to be able to tell how powerful he was, but neither did Adam/Magus. Could you imagine if he had 1000 appearances, and in several of them he got his can kicked by guys like Spiderman, and the Vision? That would be an eye opener wouldn't it?
That wasn't the upgraded surfer. It's so easy to just show you up, honestly it is.
Strange's hands were broken still at his best he could easily kill him with the twitch of a finger only his fingers were broken. Did you even read the story ?
I guess no one could stop the most powerful hulk except for that, common sense, and stark's satellite.
Thor got tackled he wasn't in a fight. seeing what Thor has taken before one tackle shouldn't dramatically weaken him. I mean at least respect Thor a little.
If the ufoes can do so why can't the gotg ?
Xavier wasn't trying to kill him. Do you even comprehend this at all ? Do you think every mutant and what not was actively trying to kill him including Xavier then I can't help you since you don't comprehend what you read.
Colossus wasn't ripped in two pieces and someone like Glads at their best of the Surfer would treat these mutant teams like school boys.
Sentry was the most powerful foe he faced and he stalemated the WW Hulk. The rest either held back or were his friends so they weren't in kill mode.
Magus schooled the gotg like nobody's. Who has Glory schooled ?
Magus has proven his power levels with feats and through abilities stomping through an entire team and showing having his heart ripped out won't even stop him.
No hes not. Hes rejected by it. He died. On panel.And of story.
Just define oblivion forged blade for me. You say it can kill them but have no proof and either i've heard of it and am having mind blank or don't know what it is.
Yes they can. Drax is nothing to speak of. Surfer, BB and Ultron can probably stomp them.
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The words I used were right on panel. You can deny those words all you want, bro. This is what makes you insane because you deny what the comic itself states word for word.
If you can't figure oblivion forged death blade then that's on you.
You don't read these books imo.
Drax is something to speak of and if you ignore him he's going to hurt you.
No, they can't. Only one I can even see taking them on is the Surfer but he's well above most elite tiers nowadays.
His form is indestructible it's stated on panel. If you want to argue with the writer go ahead but on here we argue based on comics we don't shut our eyes and pretend certain showings don't count.
I won't prove anything for you unless I feel like it you already stated marvel was wrong when they stated indestructible form so providing proof doesn't matter you ignore it like a delusional person.
Not beat on his own but with the aid of his team they can win.
A scream didn't even ko or kill Vulcan fat chance a whisper is taking them all out.
Quanchi i know that this isn't really about Adam Magus, and that it is truly about making Thanos look even better, but you do realize that Thanos himself could be incapacitated, and locked down for the win right?
Using two horribly written stories as proof of anything is no proof at all, not when you conveniently disregard thor, or The Hulk's better showings. All characters, as i have pointed out have their weak moments. Some characters are used as the plot device themselves, others don't have enough appearances to be shown at their most vulnerable. The Sentry/Hulk battle was horribly written and illustrated. The Hulk in weaker states has feats that would destroy GOTG. Why are you hanging on Strange jock strap? Like I said all characters have their weaknesses, Strange's is his lack of physical toughness. Let's take a classic example Captain Mavel (DC) may have a great fight with the Hulk and even lose a few, but may dominate Dr. Strange because of his high resistance to magical energies, while Strange would dominate the Hulk due to his lack thereof. Rulk with his leeching abilities would destroy the Silver Surfer, but was dominated by WW Hulk. ABC Logic isn't always wrong, but many times it is.
Glory does not have enough appearances to place him in any tier, but he would most likely kill many Heralds in a straight fight due to him being written to have dominated hundreds of Deities, and absorbed them into his being. Thor's hammer played a large part in him stalemating Glory in their first encounter. If he did not have the hammer he would have certainly perished. The U-Foes can't hold a candle to Glory, nor would the GOTG. There were extenuating circumstances on Thor defeating Glory.
Thor was intercepted by the Sentry in mid flight, perhaps he was hit harder than it appeared, he then bats the Sentry away, and is assaulted without being prepared for the assault. When did I disrespect Thor. You're pretty full of deceit Quanchi, but never let yourself believe that these underhanded tactics make it seem that you are the shyt when it comes to a debate. You side step things that back you into a corner, and wag your finger by launching the trivial.
Do you know what an active defense means? No? let me explain it to you. The Hulk was so full of rage, that Xavier could not even begin to launch a psychic assault on him. Why? Because the Hulk deflected his attack and sent it back to him as written. Did you even read the book should be the question. Stop trying to rewrite a story that was laid bare. What was written in black and white, with shades of grey in between, was that neither Xavier or Emma could effect the Hulk's mind on a telepathic level. Unless you want me, or anyone to believe that they willingly allowed the people that they loved to be mauled. Colossus was nearly crippled for life, Wolverine was nearly rendered brain dead, Cyclops almost got his head crushed, and yet the woman that loves him didn't see this as a means to take off the kids gloves. Sorry not buying it, try that shyt on the weak of mind.
The Beast was trying to kill him, as he pointed out (forget the kids name) to the kid that the US Govt would likely give him a medal for killing the Hulk. Kitty Pryde phased him into the ground, but i guess she was playing with him, Wolverine punched him in the eyes with his claws, I guess he was holding his punches, and not trying to kill him. If you believe this shyt that your actively trying to sell, good for you, I know better.
Let's see how well Zom/Strange does in a couple of weeks shall we, this was an amplified Dr. Strange. We will see, and I'll leave it at that.
Let me bring up how a weaker Hulk chased Nightmare all over his own realm, and needed to find a way to get the hulk out of his nightmare realm, because he was giving him nightmares. This sounds like something a top tier could do right? Keep on low balling Quan, while forgetting that the Hulk is not on any set level, from one time to the next. i could actually see the Hulk jumping on Ada/Magus, and beating the life out of him, while at World Breaker, and above level.
Let me see here, how long would I give a super pissed Hulk to break out of the restraints that held your boy Thanos in check? Hmm. I'm pretty sure that those restraints were a lot weaker than a mystical barrier. An unquantified power stunt, you may be thinking, but quantify this? How strong were those restraints that held Thanos in check?
I could care less about your opinion about the Hulk/Sentry fight it's what happened. You seem all to eager to praise everything pro Hulk from this arc but downplay anything which takes away from the Hulk from the king of hulk supporters and the man responsible for this arc, Pak.
Feats don't determine the victor of all fights. They are just feats which don't apply to how these characters match up against other characters when factoring in strengths and weaknesses. Strange can easily solo the Hulk at his best with one finger you acted like he couldn't. Don't confuse compassion here with Hulk's superiority over Strange in this arc. He tricked him but at his best wasn't anywhere near formidable enough to beat Strange's pinky let alone one hand of his.
Rulk took out a noob Surfer with little to no experience making it not impressive at all. It's like using a quasar defeat right after he got the quantum bands against him 30 years later. Current Surfer would annihilate Rulk. Look what Thor did to him the second time around.
I could care less about Glory it still doesn't excuse Thor from getting worked over by the ufoes.
Thor countered him and was only tackled. You were wrong when you stated Thor was down when the ufoes attacked him he was actually defiant as ever in proud defiance at the conquerors of asgard. Thor got crushed. Bottom line the ufoes beat the hell out of him. A human had to save him.
Xavier full out bloodlusted would kill Hulk with a mental assault no matter how angry he was. Xavier wasn't trying to kill him. He's a hero and doesn't do this sort of thing. I mean did you read the book ?
Cutting the Hulk isn't going to kill him by wolverine. They were trying to stop him and trying their damndest but for the most part they weren't attacking him like some genocidal maniac least of all xavier. They defended him is all to the best of their abilities.
That isn't the same as Strange fighting on his own. On his own one twitch and the Hulk dies. Per pak. I like pak sometimes.
Top tiers do far better things than giving nightmare nightmares. Thor's made Galactus flee for his life and damaged Celestials. Surfer's blown up planets, defeated Mephisto, channeled the crunch to defeat Galactus level beings. Those are feats bro.
Thanos was weakened and Hulk was held in check in planet hulk whereas Thanos was taking on a universe' best in no time while Hulk was stuck on a backwater planet. LOL.
Magus wins. Nothing Hulk can do to him. He uses magic just like strange and brute strength means nothing here. Sorry, bye bye hulk.
Good to know that you agree with me about feats, but if they didn't matter why would you continue to bring up the obvious back stabbing that Thor received at the hands of the U-Foes, even after he was assaulted by one of the universes most powerful mortals. The Sentry at that time was tapping into the Void, his assault hurt Thor, and Thor wasn't in 100% tip top shape when he was hit by more than just the U-Foes.
Rulk also took a direct blast from Galactus, that sent him plummeting at top speed into the planet with no ill effect, come again. Then again if thing don't go your way, let's resort to the low balling. Rulk punched out a Watcher, what top tier does that? WW Hulk punched out that same Rulk. Again what top tier does that? Whoops i see another low balling coming, don't worry I have a big bat to blast it right back down your throat.
Xavier saw in his first assault that he would have ended up doing more harm to his students if he assaulted the Hulk, which was seen on panel, which was also written on panel and was as clear as day.
the Hulk was weakened when he was drawn into the worm hole before landing on Sakaar as well. How weak? Well Korg dominated him the first time they got into it. However, towards the end of Planet Hulk the Hulk received another obscure upgrade, by absorbing a nuclear blast... the same one that killed Caiera. Before this he was seen no selling the eminent destruction of a planet. So yes he was depowered for the sole purpose of giving the heroes of earth a fighting chance. One shotting Ares with ease now? Well I guess this is also something that a top tier can do with ease. In the past Dr. Strange has fought the Hulk, and there were a couple of times that even his most powerful spells failed to keep him from passing out due to the strain it took to stop the hulk from pounding his face in.
Dr. Strange has spells that could cripple the Surfer as well, does this somehow take away from the Surfer's impressive resume? No, it only means that Norrin has his own weaknesses. The hulk has some pretty impressive feats as well. Physically punching through a dimensional barrier on two separate occasions is just as impressive as channeling the crunch.
As you so willingly helped to make your argument of the U-Foes and friends null and void, by admitting that Thor chased Galactus off, I'll overlook the low balling. Unless of course you believe that the U-Foes and friends could chase off Galactus as well... I wonder what your angle was in this statement?
Just because the Magus uses magic, does not mean that he would automatically beat WW Hulk at his best, and rising. the Hulk could simply jump on him, as i pointed out, and beat his face into dust. How many planets destroying punches do you think Adamagus could take?
You have your opinion, and I certainly have mine. I simply won't be sold on Adamagus being the king of the hill, by only seeing his best showings, while ignoring him being turned to vapor by Lord Mar-Vell with ease.
I see your MO Quanchi, you discount Sentry because he does not serve to elevate Thanos. You high ball Adamagus, which elevates Lord Mar-Vell, and in turn allows you to make claims like; Thanos would dominate Odin/Tyrant/Galactus/Krona/The Beyonder.
Like I said have it your way. In my books the Hulk wins, and when the Hulk force comes into play, Whatcha gonna do brother, when Hulkamania runs wild on YOU?
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His assulat didn't hurt Thor badly at all. It affected him somewhat but he countered. The ufoes brought him to near death. It's all on panel.
Rulk was soundly defeated by Galactus and also struggled against wolverine. LOL. Loeb's writing is all over the place he punches out a watcher, struggles against vampires, struggles against wolverine, beats down thor, then gets crushed by thor. The guy was all over the map.
Xavier wasn't trying to kill him and bloodlusted I am more than sure he can if he takes off the kiddie gloves.
In this story at Hulk's best this writer deemed Strange to be capable of killing him with one twitch of his finger. That's sad for a top tier to be that susceptible to Strange when you originally said no one on earth could stop him.
Strange can't beat the Surfer with the twitch of his finger. That's just another story altogether. Surfer's best craps all over the Hulk's best so who cares.
Thor has the power to chase off Galactus which makes Hulk' feats look meek by comparison while at the same time on average he can be beaten by the likes of the ufoes. They have the power necessary to beat Thor. Durability and power aren't the same thing.
Magus has too much skill to allow a savage brute like the Hulk to just jump on him. The guy was catching shields while showing the skill to take on other characters at the same time behind his back.
That's how powerful Mar-vell is. Mar-vell showed surfer and nova to be nothing more than annoyances.
Sentry wasn't impressive in the ww hulk imo. He's impressive as the Void to insane levels. In ww hulk not even at his best he was equal to the ww hulk at his own fight.
The hulk didn't win against the sentry and also was getting shown up by the surfer. He doesn't always win in his own books no hero ever does.
Thor was hit by the Sentry, who happens to hit like a runaway comet, and then Thor suffered a cowardly assault launched by more than just the U-Foes, wasn't Moonstone, and iron Patriot blasting away at him as well? Shyt Lyra did well against the Dark Avengers on her own. I'm convinced that the Sentry had more to do with Thor's KO than you are willing to admit. You have your opinion while I have mine.
Rulk's defeat by Galactus is not a poor showing, what is impressive however is that he survived at all. Wolverine is Wolverine, he needs more credit, than you are giving him, another low ball I see. I would actually say that Logan is a top tier, due to his hardiness, and he has more than shown this time, and again. Wolverine is a bad man. Rulk went a round with the Hulk, and then Thor shows up, and gets beaten down, Rulk then goes another round with the Hulk, and thor shows up, and strikes him after he dealt with Savage Hulk. Rulk also inadvertently absorbed too much of the hulk energy, and was unable to compensate with Thor's lightning strike, which place him in a precarious position, causing his defeat. Stop the deceit Quanchi.
I would love to see the Surfer punch through a dimensional barrier. Fact being like I pointed out to you is that the Surfer is the Hulks K-Nite. Thor can go round for round with the Surfer, and has, while the Hulk that can go round for round with Thor can't.
Yea so when does catching Major Astros' Shield amount to Adamagus catching several planet destroying punches. The Hulk is ver fast despite his size.
Mar-Vell had one good showing, and suddenly he's been elevated to high trans tier or perhaps even Sky Father in your books, which like I pointed out gives you ammo to promote Thanos to Abstract level. Doesn't work that way sorry.
WW Hulk (story arc) held the Hulk back, it was only at the end that we actually saw how impressive the Hulk can become. During his fight with Bob, had he have gone World Breaker, Bob would have been turned off, like I'm about to do to this thread. Turn it off, and tune it out.
The Hulk was the last man standing, Sentry lost the fight, he won in his own book, and that's all that counts. Try to keep your lies to yourself, it's offending me.
This will be my last post pertaining to this thread, I have pressing things to attend to. My opinion as well as my stance remains the same. The Hulk would beat Adamagus like he stole something. There was simply not enough info in terms of appearances to justify Adamagus' quick rise to justify making him seem like the badass that you are making him out to be, while ignoring his easy decimation at the hands of another virtual unknown.
IMO the Hulk Stomps him flat.
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Thor recovered and then got beat up. All right on panel.
Rulk punching out a watcher yet not doing so against a far weaker character in wolverine doesn't make sense. Maybe it does to you but to most people they see the difference and mock loeb. You praise his work that's on you.
Surfer has fought hulk at his own game while both were depowered and he showed up the Hulk. LOL.
Magus can easily avoid those punches Hulk rarely uses skill it's just brute strength.
That's two showings first off. Yes, manhandling the surfer and nova and oneshotting magus puts him above skyfather imo.
At Hulk's best he failed against the sentry. Put wb hulk against the Void and he rapes wb hulk ten way still sunday.
Bruce won against Bob. Not the same as hull beating the sentry.
Magus can survive having his heart ripped out and can easily run circles around the hulk. If strange can kill him with the twitch of his finger Magus can surely best him.
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