We should be clear though... thor was not operating at base levels... In fact, it was mentioned a few times he was in warrior madness mode but people VERY familiar with Thor. It was later revealed it wasn't TRUE WM mode.. but we should still view it as quasi wm mode or Thor not holding back and really letting loose. That is the least we should call it, not base level Thor.
At that point in time, (the Dr, Strange & Team incident) Thor was indeed subconsciously tapping from the Power Gem as seen on panel, but this again was not Thor tapping from the Gem on an active level. Drax tapped into the Gem subconsciously as well, and with a playful tap sent the Hulk flying into a building, or house. This does not mean that every second that Drax had the Gem, that he was tapping into it actively. If Thanos or Warlock had the Power Gem, they could actively walk around 100% of the time at above Abstract physical levels (minus LT). There has to be rules enforced when speaking about the Power Gem, and it's immense levels, or the implications, of those capable of taking on a wielder becomes pure PIS.
Let me show you what the Power Gem allows it's wielder to become.
Power Gem
Power Gem - Red: Accesses all power and energy that ever has or will exist, and can back the other gems and boost their effects. Allows the user to duplicate almost any physical superhuman ability and become invincible.
This is why I am against the idea of Thor using the Gem at all during his battle with Thanos.
These scenarios still stand, and can not be overturned, due to fan base, or hate of a particular character. I am not willing to lie, in order to place or take away from any fictional character, we all saw Thanos' physical limits, and the limits of his force blocks when he went up against Odin.
These are the scenarios, and everyone has the right to challenge the battle between Thanos vs Thor
My take on things is this, Thor may not have been tapping into the Power gem during the fight with Thanos, and what we saw was Thanos fighting just a regular pissed off thor, that was unwilling to hold back.
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What we saw was Thanos fighting Thor, and being hit with the entire force of the Power Gem, because as I just stated, there is no such thing as a percentage of infinity, it is either infinity or not infinity, you can't have it both ways. Hence if Thor was hitting him while tapping the Power Gem, it means that Thanos was tanking blows that would crush any Abstract under the LT, despite Thor's inability to break free of the force cube. Hello... So now you see why I am against the showing. It's not to shit on Thanos, but I just think that it was horrible writing, or that Thor was not tapping into the infinite might that the Gem would give him.
Thor may not have been tapping into the Power Gem during the fight with Thanos (highly likely), and what we saw was Thanos fighting just a regular pissed off Thor, that was unwilling to hold back.
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What we saw was Thanos fighting Thor, and being hit with the entire force of the Power Gem, because as I just stated, there is no such thing as a percentage of infinity, it is either infinity or not infinity, you can't have it both ways. Hence if Thor was hitting him while tapping the Power Gem, it means that Thanos was tanking blows that would crush any Abstract under the LT, despite Thor's inability to break free of the force cube. Hello... So now you see why I am against the showing. It's not to shit on Thanos, but I just think that it was horrible writing, or that Thor was not tapping into the infinite might that the Gem would give him.
It is up to choice, but what I saw Thor do while facing Nul, and being willing to kill, is what we saw when he fought Thanos. This is my stance, and it will be very difficult to change my opinion on the matter. Wave your fingers, insult me, do whatever it is that you want, but until solid proof is brought to bear that Thor was using the Gem before being locked in stasis, Thor was not using the Power gem, or he would have ripped out of Thanos' force block the instance that it engulfed him.
I agree that Thor was not holding back and was trying to kill Thanos, but not while using the Power Gem, he was doing this under his own power.
As for this thread, Thanos' showing against Thor while not holding back showed that he was handling him like Thor would handle Mr. Hyde.
With Hercules as a teammate, I can see Thanos having difficulty taking this and he would be pressed to defeat this team without tech.
Thanos FTW 7/10 with tech
Stalemate without tech.
This is how I see it without low-balling and taking everyone's powers into account.
Right because Thanos can take hits from guys just below the LT, but was unable to defeat Odin. I don't see any low-balling going on, all I see is over hype.
You see whats on panel, but refuse to accecpt it because you dislike Thanos..hell if it was Hulk it would be fine.
The fact you was trying to lowball the whole PG Thor/Thanos fight saying Thor wasnt amped by the gem at all is laughable seeing as PG Thor was able to take more shots/blasts and do more damage than he did against a weaker pre first death Thanos.
What do you mean. I won't lie because I like a character, or make him out to be more than he is. You made a thread yesterday that asked who has better durability between the Hulk and Doomsday, and I said that Doomsday had better durability at base levels.
You have to realize how the Power Gem works, and that if Thanos was being hit by a Power Gem wielder that he would have been completely dominated within the first 3-4 hits. It's you that is actually doing the low-balling here, against Thor and Hercules. You won't even consider the idea that thor can actually give Thanos a fight without being amplified by external means, when his past showings say the contrary.
Thanos had a great showing and smiled in the face of a hammer to the face from Thor while not tapping the Power Gem. Anything other than this would mean that Thanos was capable of taking hits from guys a notch below the LT, and we both know that the idea of this happening is zero percent. If Thor was amplified by the Power Gem, he would have burst free of the force block, this is the key to us knowing that he was not amped during his battle with Thanos.
When a user takes power from the Power gem, they don't take a slice of it, they take on the full power of the Power Gem. The Power gem makes it's user invincible physically, and being trapped by a force block that Odin nearly walked out of, is far less than being invincible. I like Thanos, you can believe what you want, I just have a more sober view of his levels, than people who may love the character.
Thor was not actively tapping the power Gem, because if he were it was poor writing on the writers part. Just ask yourself this one question, and be honest with yourself. Can Thanos beat Adam Warlock, if he was using the Power Gem? My answer as well as many should be hell no.
Also Thor did not fight Pre-Death Thanos, with the vigor that he did in the book that we are arguing. Thor was holding back in that battle, and we all know this.
Who cares ? However Thor tapped into the gem it turned an elite top tier into an outright monster. Thor wasn't holding back and was well beyond that team but wasn't beyond Thanos. Very impressive for Thanos.
Thor wasn't tapping into the PG, he was fighting Thanos under his own steam. Thor did not have the knowledge to contiguously amp from the Power Gem, and in the instance that he did use it, it was only a spike, and not conscious, or willful use of the Gem. The Force Block is the proof. It could not stand up to less than Infinite might in the form of Galactus', Odin, or the Galactus Thanosi, and it certainly would not stand up to a Power gem wielder that can actively tap it's power. Like I asked before, what is 1% of Infinity? It does not exist, it is either infinity or it isn't.
He was tapping into the power gem that's why he wasn't going down under physical assault. The block had to be reinforced and it's obvious Thor was amping himself gradually for a time and when necessary like against Strange and Warlock in the previous issue. You are losing credibility with every post regarding this matter. Keep going.
You can not take a piece of infinity, you take on the entire Power of the Gem or none at all, not a fraction, or a percentage. The times that people that had the Power Gem, and were not operating at 100% was them not tapping the Gem at all. The writers goofed for plot purposes, but this is a forum, that cancels out moments of PIS, because plot has nothing to do with anything.
Thanos can not tango with Infinite Power, when he could not dominate Odin, who is not an Infinite Power, he's very powerful, but not high Abstact Powerful in any way shape or form. When Warlock had the IG, we saw how just his speech blew guys away, and the other Gems are powered by the Power Gem. No, Thor was not tapping into the Power Gem during his fight with Thanos, he was fighting him under his own steam. You haven't a shred of evidence to overturn this argument, but I have one piece of solid evidence. THE FORCE BLOCK.
The writer didn't goof comics don't have to make real world sense. You're a mess I mean that you have no idea what it is you are saying. Thanos has defeated the Maker a being with infinite power before.
Thor was amped and lost. Plain and simple. The writers made it clear but a hater like yourself will even go so far as to say the storyteller screwed up. You're too biased to have a discussion with. Honestly.
The Maker was not at her most powerful, and was in a fragile mortal vessel. Context Quanchi. Remember when she oneshotted Thanos? Thor was not using the Gem. If he was he would have broke out of that Force Block, and tore Thanos apart... actually Thanos would have never even been awake to Force Block Thor in the first place, because the first 4 hits would have ended the entire charade. Thor is capable of going toe to toe with Thanos, you just hate the idea of this. Thanos would win, but he would not outright dominate Thor. The Surfer yes, but not Thor. They both fight differently. Like I said, you haven't got one shred of evidence that Thanos was fighting Thor while he was actively tapping from the Power Gem. Not one shred.
She had infinite power but was more vulnerable. Her body doesn't mean she doesn't have infinite power it just means she is more vulnerable in flesh. I wish you understood simple words.
Thanos came back prepared and dominated a being with infinite power. That's how formidable he is.
Thor isn't. Thor never has been. The only time he has is with the power gem. You're clueless. I like that about you.
You have no proof he wasn't using the gem since he was using it beforehand. You actually don't care about proof you're just into who you like more.
She was more vulnerable to physical attack, and she wasn't blasting Thanos with anywhere near the amount of power that she did, when she put him in dreamland the first time out. He was also speaking to her, and confusing her, which set him up to be able to KO her. In her mortal vessel she could give a lot more than she could take, which was clearly evident in that book.
Your task is to prove that Thor was amplified during his battle with Thanos, and you won't be able to, because of that one pesky thing. should I say it again? i will just to make it clear. Force Block.
False. He was prepared the second go around. Imagine taking a punch without being prepared for it as opposed to being prepared for it. Same principle.
He actively didn't want to kill her. He held back as to not release her essence. Thanos toyed with her and dominated a being with infinite power. Boom.
Anyone who reads the blood and thunder arc knows he was. You are biased and want to pretend he wasn't. You're so biased you even said the writers got it wrong. It's their story not yours.
Are you serious? her first blast KO'd Thanos, and left a huge crater where he lay counting sheep. When they fought a second time she was not putting out energy on that level. Stop the lies. Thor was fighting Thanos under his own steam. You only need to prove that he was tapping the PG, I have already proved that he wasn't. Overturn it, or stop with the shit. Strawman's Quanchi? For real. Give me a reason to believe that Thanos can operate at infinite levels.
To do this, you will have to explain away Odin dominating Thanos.
You will have to explain away Galactus nearly cooking him alive, and him begging for his life.
You will have to explain away his condition after taking a blast from the Galactus Thanosi.
None of these guys are Infinite's, or High Abstracts. The Power gem allows it's wielder to operate at these levels.
All you have is your strawman routine. But still no solid evidence. Until you bring it, I won't reply. this goes for anyone saying the contrary. Bring it or just quit. I have no problem conceding any point, and will say that I am wrong. I don't have an ego problem. Just bring me one solid shred of evidence. No strawman's and I will concede.
The bulk or her blast hit him and he was unprepared. He met her the second time and dominated her. Her all out blasts weren't just hitting him like the initial blast. Thor was using the power gem before fighting him and using it during and after he encased him in force block.
The story made it clear you said the writers screwed up. You are all over the map while backpedaling and now claiming he wasn't amped. I won't put up scans for someone who claims writers are wrong. Your opinion is biased it doesn't matter. Bottom line.
The comic makes it clear Thor WITH THE POWER GEM became a real monster.
Thanos wasn't there to best Odin and his durability is clearly greater than the maker's.
All of these examples are irrelevant to Imperative Thanos. You're so bad at this.
The comic made it clear Thor was a real monster due to the power gem. The comic doesn't have to tell us every single time he is amping they expect the reader to comprehend what is going on. You can't keep up due to bias. Deep down you know I am right and it burns you up. Thanos wins here.
Thor was never contiguously using the Power Gem, and was only using it in spurts. Meaning he was not always walking around at 100% amped. In the case of the Power gem, it's either 0% amplification or 100% amplification, there are no in between or percentages when discussing infinity. It's either the whole thing or not.
Thor was not amplified at the time of the fight, he was however amplified during the Dr. Strange & company scene. This much is true, as it stated it on panel. This however does not mean that 20 minutes later, that Thor was still actively using the Power Gem, nor does this mean that Thor was using it during the battle with Thanos. So post the scans, and we will still see that you still haven't found one shred of evidence. Only more strawman antics.
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