Posters like CortSether believe that anyone who refuses to accept their view on things is a troll and expresses that by being a troll himself lol. I can live with that
^You know, the writers contradict each other, there can't be a final truth to concepts, they might change over time. I find your theory interesting.
As for the PF.
Have to disagree as seemingly "lesser" beings within creation are more or did greater things then the PF, like HOM Wanda, the IG or the Beyonder and MM imo. Anyway, I think we won't agree on this one .
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Last edited by Prof. T.C McAbe on Aug 25th, 2012 at 08:40 PM
With the exception of Oblivion, in Marvel the Abstracts and the Concepts they embody do not exist before the Big Bang.
Eternity himself states that the Phoenix Force ensures his creation through its control of the creation cycle.
If the Phoenix was to deviate from its role none of the Abstracts would exist. The Phoenix Force however is not dependent on the Abstracts.
A host of the PF or the firebird avatar acting within the timestream can be manipulated by time, however the full Phoenix Force encompasses all of creation and it also exists beyond so if we're talking the full entity here time manipulation isnt going to cut it. Jean Grey casually amputates and disposes of timelines with a thought. So how is a being whose power is dependent on timelines going to be a bother?
But what youre not taking into account is said characters were the villains in their storylines and acting recklessly, whereas characters like the PF act within their creator given roles. Comparing the big destructive displays of a role driven cosmic entity to a villain with no cosmic responsibilities lashing out with their power makes no sense.
However Jean Grey containing the multiversal power of the M'kraan crystal, given its proven power (its canon it destroyed the previous multiverse and created the present one) is a greater power feat than HOM Wanda, or Thanos' universal feats with the IG or anything any cube being has done.
Nothing ive said is illogical. Nothing ive said is not explicitly stated on panel, it is just an unpopular opinion because people just cant seem to make a division between hosts and the PF or even the firebird avatar and the full PF, then use low showings to ignore its stated role and feats in official sources.
The funny thing is that GS has been repeatedly owned in numerous threads where he has sprouted unfounded Phoenix hype - like the hilarious "Phoenix Force is the Big Bang" claim. Of course, if he continues to repeat the same lies he'll eventually convince people who are ignorant of the character, so he continues to do so.
The only reason I'm even following this post, is because it involves Time Trapper. But I can't really debate against a character I only know about through ancient X-Men storylines..
Ive never been owned regarding the Phoenix Force. The lies!
Are you seriously going to ignore explicit comments from reputable characters stating its the Big Bang just because you believe its showings don't reflect that in your opinion?
You have Abstracts, high tiered cosmic beings, the Phoenix itself and Earths top scientific minds all explicitly confirming the Force as the Big Bang. The point is not debatable. You will deal.
So in other words you wish to decline my offer to pick apart my argument point for point because you have no solid argument, no evidence to back you up, just a contrary opinion? :
I think it is fine and makes sense that the PF is what starts the big bang or that it can be considered to be the Big Bang. Like Imperiex from DC who holds also the energies of the Big Bang inside of him and restarts the Universe.
Whats not ok imho is to insult other posters just because they disagree. I could understand a frustration if an opinion would be far off the truth (Like Batman being Multiversal, he is Omniversal after all) but GS theory sounds plausible enough to make it one possibility among others. To insult someone is like admitting to be wrong, I did or do it too sometimes, but its still no excuse.
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I've read them and its nothing worth responding. Your opinion is yours only, it matters little what you think of trapper compared to PF. Give feats of PF.
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