That's an explicit property, but by virtue of being a real star there are implicit properties as well.
Note that there are no accounts of it being an "artificial" star, " pseudo" star, or anything of the like. Not in the comic and not in the script. And it's not the wrong color, and the visual size is difficult to discern due to the perspective. In other words, there's no reason to doubt that it's an actual star.
Yes. Because the feats aren't equal.
Not only is Surfer's star substantially more massive, but it's a body of mass created ex nihilo.
Except it looks like small(as supported by the script) and its gravity and heat or whatever don't show in the comic either? if we want to nitpick of course
Last edited by qwertyuiop1998 on Dec 5th, 2022 at 12:42 PM
The perspective is skewed, and he uses the Power Cosmic to create it. It settles in the sky, and it lights up the planet. Could you make a case against it? Sure, but the case for it is stronger than the case against it.
That said, calling Kyle 10 meters-across 'artificial sun,' "not an actual star," is not a nitpick.
And I'm not sure why Kyle is still brought up in every thread featuring the Surfer when he's not even part of the thread.
Anyway, the main point I'm making here is Supes and Surfer are comparable in speed, durability, and strength as far as quantifiable feats are concerned. You could argue that one has a better average than the other, but the showings are inconsistent and vague enough to where it's fair to just call them equals as far as those powers are concerned.
The issue is that those powers only make up a small fraction of Surfer's arsenal of powers. Matter transmutation, energy manipulation, lifeform manipulation, spacetime manipulation, foresight, telepathy, telekinesis, etc. and that's not even mentioning the fact that Supes has a plethora of weaknesses Surfer can abuse, while having no notable weaknesses himself. It's like putting Superman against the Flash, obviously Superman will win because he has more options.
Because he's less powerful than Superman by his own admission.
LMAO. No, they're not. This is lulzworthy.
No, because Superman is astronomically stronger, faster, more durable and has been for years that Surfer can't even hurt him anymore by conventional means which he generally uses.
Its like putting Mangog against Spider-Man. Sure, Spider-Man is far more versatile (speed, Web shooters, spider sense) but he's so outclassed, it doesn't even matter.
That means jack-shit because Supes doesn't have the powers of a Green Latern. Despite being "stronger" (if we entertain the notion) Superman can't do what Kyle can, and vice versa.
And the fact that you have to fall back on Kyle's feats only proves that Supes doesn't have these kinds of feats.
When I say they're about equal I'm being generous. Surfer has a lot better feats when it comes to intergalactic travel and such, and we've already discussed durability where you failed to produce a feat of Supes shrugging off a supernova. Meanwhile I gave you three instances of Surfer surfing on supernovae, and one where Superman was knocked out by one.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally obtuse or not with this.
Last edited by Astner on Dec 5th, 2022 at 02:30 PM
It's not Dragon Ball, their powers are different, Superman can't do what Kyle can vice versa. It shouldn't be this difficult for you to grasp.
Are you illiterate? What they did was accelerate the demon's "stellar evolution" to have him collapse into a blackhole/wormhole and fall back into his own world, and Alan Scott makes sure it's only he that fell backs.
Not only is this not a supernova or a real star, it's not even a quantifiable.
I hope this isn't the best you've got for Superman "tanking a supernova."
No, it's not the same thing. Surfer's feats are many orders of magnitudes more impressive.
Superman was on a planet with water (in the habitable zone) which means we're looking at roughly an astronomical unit of distance away from the star (persuming it was similar to the Sun, which I'll generously grant you). Surfer, on the other hand, flies through the stars as they go supernova.
Sentinel only starts compressing it when Surtur is gone supernova, you idiot.
How's this not a real star, its directly stated to have stellar mass, goes supernova and then becomes a black hole? Not quantifiable? You really are retarded.
As opposed to surfing supernova automatically becomes tanking one?
Only in your mind.
Where did he fly through a star while they go supernova?
Anyway, how about tanking and absorbing a hypernova?
Superman defeats Mageddon, the primordial annihilator via absorbing its anti-sun core which negates his own energy and is complely fine while overcoming its telepathy.
Just how powerful was Mageddon? It was powerful enough to force the angels of Pax-Dei to create a new universe because it was going to destroy this universe.
A hypernova only occurs in the stars at least 30 times more mass than Earth's sun and this anti sun must have been even more huge so to destroy half the galaxy.
The feats you're looking at are not feats Superman ever has (or ever has been implied to be able to) replicate.
Yes, that was the Atom's description. It's still not a real supernova.
Then then Flashes wouldn't have survived as clarified by the Atom.
Because stellar mass is not a unit of mass, "solar mass" is, but that's not what's being said here. Nor is it what's being talked about.
No, because it's not a real star, not a real supernova and not a real black hole. And never is this being suggested in any other sense than analogy. Like almost all feats you've posted in this thread it's vague at best.
Now compare this to the scene I posted where Braniac initiated a real supernova and it put Superman in a comatosed state. Not only is it more reliable by virtue of dealing with an actual supernova, but it's a more recent issue too.
Why wouldn't it be? Isn't Surfer subjected to the energies of it?
This is a straight up lie. Superman only dsisarmed the Mageddon Bomb by absorbing the trigger energies for it (the anti-sun). Not to mention he could metabolize it like normal sunlight.
Was it impressive? Maybe, we don't know. Was it as impressive as you're passing it off to be? No.
Also, this isn't a supernova feat.
If Superman doesn't have any supernovae feats on par with Surfer at least concede to it before plastering the thread with other unrelated feats.
On a semi-related note. Where are all the feats of "recent" Superman that you kept going on about. All you've been posting are aged feats.
Last edited by Astner on Dec 5th, 2022 at 03:58 PM
But the script described it as little star...and you asserted in another thread is the script is visual descriptions for the artist....So by this logic, its drawing intention shouldn't be it's small, like, you know just the size of his palm...... (please log in to view the image)
Of course I wouldn't say the size really matters, but what I'm saying is, I failed to see there are significant differences between Surfer's feat and Kyle's
Last edited by qwertyuiop1998 on Dec 5th, 2022 at 04:10 PM
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