I guess because I think there's something to be said for keeping pace (and ultimately dominating) in mental combat against people who do have established reflexes (like Exodus).
It's a little more circumstantial than an outright quickdraw-style win, for the purpose of this thread, but it's more credit than I'd give Hulk - whose mind I imagine Exodus would just outpace.
Mind you, maybe that doesn't make sense because I don't think MMH's super speed would aid him in an astral battle with Chuck... idk, at some point the logic comes apart at the seams.
Imagine a telepath of MMH's calibre....now imagine that telepath having genuine legit superspeed.
If a human telepath is supposedly FTL, faster than Quicksilver, the premier speedster in Marvel (fight me, Mungi!) imagine a speedster telepath like MMH. At this rate, he could solo Marvel and DC with a thoughtblitz!
I mean, ignoring pesky things like feats. I also wonder if there are levels to telepaths, like speedsters. Is Professor X faster than Psylocke? Or, like Hulk is Hulk (and non-canon is...proof), are thoughtspeeders all equal?
If I made a second thread, and had Emma/Jean/Professor X/Psylocke/Cassandra Nova, how would people rank them, based on feats/feelings?
Raw speed pretty much phucked them over. And interestingly, QS previously in the issue was too fast to be detected by anyone - including Apocalypse, a telepath: (please log in to view the image)
Plus - he's mind controlled, and was likely only there to kill Johnny (foreshadowed earlier in the issue).
It's nice though that Johnny was able to react before Jean, and then get stabbed, and his subsequent stabbing was reacted to by Sue, AND THEN Jean suddenly reacted and thought to put him to sleep.
Edit: oh she also blocks a full blast from Storm earlier, as they're trying to kill Venom/Carnage
Not really trying hard to prove anything. Just commenting. With their physical movements? I'd guess not? With thought based weapons that this thread entails? I dunno?
Seems to be a distinction that I'm just saying... kinda glossed over.
So regardless of whether you think MMH has better telepathy than Xavier... he could have worse for all we care... then MMH easily beats Xavier in telepathic battles because J'onn has displayed superspeed?
Fair enough. Pending proof though, that's the part of the argument you laid out (whether or not you're making it) that falls apart for me. Just with his mutant powers. His brain is a thought-based weapon, after all.
I never thought about it too much before these KMC threads, but I kinda accepted that Xavier thinks faster than normal because of his history that I have read. Never was something that I tried to pay attention to, but it is what came to mind immediately. I also understand how reductive/stupid that sounds: "Hurr durrr, he thinks fasterrrr..." but, yea.
I accept that he thinks faster than most characters, as a general premise. Much faster, even. But I pause at giving him the win in a quickdraw against, say, Sue Richards (whose powers are also activated at the speed of thought) based solely on his being a telepath or on tenuously connected feats like beaming his thoughts to Lilandra from Earth.
Reminds me too much of someone arguing that Starfire could blitz Psylocke because Tamaraneans can fly ftl - but in terms of actual Starfire combat speed feats, couldn't produce much at all.
Or like I told Goober in the other thread, I accept that the worlds smartest man has a more powerful brain (and higher 'computing' speeds) than an F1 driver, but on a quick draw under these stips, I'll take the driver.
I personally think someone like Xavier is really different from Sue Richards. Never tried to conflate the two. Xavier's telepathy is speed-quantified on multiple levels unlike Sue Richards.
Xavier can think much much faster than normal people. Quicksilver can move/think much much faster than normal people.
Gl rings are thought-based weapons. Not physical muscle-motor based weapons. So, an argument can be made for Xavier winning in this scenario. On the tangent that you bring up... Xavier has contended/defeated artificial CPU intelligence too. CPU intelligences that can process stuff far far far faster than normal humans, Are those feats of Xavier being given full faith and credit?
Both powers manifest at the speed of the respective user's thought. So again I come back to the asking for a single reflex feat.
Quicksilver's legs are thought-activated. He has to think, then move. Giving him a GL ring (and with all the stips in this thread: he doesn't need to come up with the image himself, he has equal training with the ring and just needs to create the construct that Emma "beams" into his head) just means that now all he has to do is think.
So if QS had an edge on Xavier when he had to think and then move, he should have that much more of an edge here.
Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm reading the feats in bad faith. But in any event, you're welcome to make the argument.
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