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The_Tempest
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It's shitty and has been since season 5. But then this show hasn't been great since season 2.

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It's shitty and has been since season 5. But then this show hasn't been great since season 2.


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The show got progressively better until the five season. Hasn't been great since season two? Are out of your damn mind?

Anyway this season is a marked improvement over the last two, but no where near the heights it reached in the original five season arc.


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No, this show's principle narrative strength (for me, anyway) was the tale of two boys tackling supernatural evil and winning only through preparation, research, and skill. The fact that the odds were so utterly stacked against them is what made it scary.

Despite the cool twist that Heaven was an accomplice in Lilith's gambit to release Lucifer, Supernatural hit a sharp and sudden decline. Introducing angels, archangels, Alphas, Leviathans, etc. that soon was a colossal mistake, as was the way it was handled.

Castiel's arc was well-done, but not to the extent it redeemed the show for nerfing its villains and mitigating the damage done by pure PIS.

Crowley and Death were the only products of the past 4 seasons that were remotely interesting. Death suffered from overexposure and the writers (wisely) use him sparingly now, but poor Crowley hasn't been more Laughably Evil as of late than Affably Evil.

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Was this supposed to be on last night?

Also, agreed with Srank (ugh). Season five was arguably the highlight of the entire show. Though I'm a sucker for Paradise Lost, so there is that.


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No, this show's principle narrative strength (for me, anyway) was the tale of two boys tackling supernatural evil and winning only through preparation, research, and skill. The fact that the odds were so utterly stacked against them is what made it scary.

Despite the cool twist that Heaven was an accomplice in Lilith's gambit to release Lucifer, Supernatural hit a sharp and sudden decline. Introducing angels, archangels, Alphas, Leviathans, etc. that soon was a colossal mistake, as was the way it was handled.

Castiel's arc was well-done, but not to the extent it redeemed the show for nerfing its villains and mitigating the damage done by pure PIS.

Crowley and Death were the only products of the past 4 seasons that were remotely interesting. Death suffered from overexposure and the writers (wisely) use him sparingly now, but poor Crowley hasn't been more Laughably Evil as of late than Affably Evil.
Angels weren't introduced until season 4.

I can understand you not liking that, I disagree, but w/e.

How could you not like Sam trying to save Dean from going to hell in season 3 though? It had everything that you say you like.


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Well I do agree that it's gone downhill since season 5 I still find it kind of funny with the occasional filler episodes. Though my favorite episode was in season 5 when Death was first introduced.

I also wonder if aliens will ever make it since Death kind of implies it when he talks to Dean and friends. Haven't seen much of Season 8 unfortunately.

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Well I do agree that it's gone downhill since season 5 I still find it kind of funny with the occasional filler episodes. Though my favorite episode was in season 5 when Death was first introduced.

I also wonder if aliens will ever make it since Death kind of implies it when he talks to Dean and friends. Haven't seen much of Season 8 unfortunately.
Season 8 has been the best since 5 imo.

Season 6 was alright, and 7 just sucked.


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Agreed @ season 8. It's been pretty solid so far.


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I hated this show at first. I didn't really get into it until Castiel, and he quickly became my favorite character. The episode he narrates that tells his story of getting involved with Crowley is my favorite episode.


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Angels weren't introduced until season 4.


I know.

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I can understand you not liking that, I disagree, but w/e.


Like I said, some of the story arcs with the angels have been cool. But it's no longer a horror/suspense show, IMHO when you know angels are always around the corner to save the day.

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How could you not like Sam trying to save Dean from going to hell in season 3 though? It had everything that you say you like.


Yeah, forgot about that.

Essentially, I want the show to return to its roots: where Sam and Dean are on their own, kicking ass and taking names by virtue of preparation, research, skill, etc., not heavenly assistance and requisite PIS for when heavenly assistance is conveniently absent. I hate the idea that "Whoops, I died... but thank God Cas is here, because one finger poke later and I'm fresh as roses."

I personally can't stand it. In this genre, the baddie always has to have the trump card to make shit exciting. Hence why Zachariah and co. were fairly interesting, because it made all powerful Heaven the obstacle. With the show now firmly entrenched in Judeo-Christian mythology, the deck is outrageously stacked against evil.

Hence why my main man Crowley is little more than a joke now.

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Well last season angels were useless, and this season since Cas went on a rampage heaven isn't useful either.

Also, God isn't around.

They really don't have that much help, aside from Cas, but I get where you're coming from.


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Yeah, but even a Godless Heaven is beyond Hell to an exponential degree.

They had a missed opportunity to show the place still has teeth by having Crowley beat the ever loving shit out of weakened!Castiel a few episodes ago. But, nah, where's the artistic value in having formidable villains?

Like I said, though, I have pretty strict framework for what constitutes a great sci-fi/adventure/horror epic. Bad guys being better than good guys (either through brains, brawn, or both) is sacrosanct.

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The past couple of episodes have been pretty good. The Men of Letters is a nice addition to the mythology. Sam is the perfect one to get it restarted.


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Looks like the finale will see me lose the one reason I have for watching this show. sad

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Anyone else here think [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Crowley is gonna bite it?

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No.


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Keep the faith, my son.

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