The Hulk being able to carry 150 billion tons (Secret Wars) is waay out of character. I don't know what the writer was thinking, but clearly he had been drinking too much.
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but you still have no proof that war isn't the strongest version. he was channeling 2 universes worth of energy, which is why apocalypse wanted him in the first place. apparently he thought that mindless hulk wasn't good enough for what he wanted. i still stick by what i said. i guess we will have to agree to disagree.
plus we know it was how onlsaught worked. he used people several times through his crossover. he also said something along the lines of "i'm free of my armor and beyond physical harm" which could imply that he used hulk to bust him free of it.
Im not arguing that War is not the strongest version of the hulk............Im arguing that War isnt even his own version!...like i said he is still just Savage Hulk or Professor.....with some implants and stuff....why?....Apoc can control that version...but he cannot control mindless Hulk,...I dont even think he could best Mindless Hulk, but he could definitely take Professor....the version of the Hulk is defined by which personality he is....not his costume or implants...he was just an improvement over that current version....U quoted my entire statement....did u understand what meant by your bad comparison of War to Mindless Hulk when u mention the 150 billion ton mountain, that wasnt even the right version of the hulk that lifted the mountain, i just think it damaged ur credibility on the Hulk....on this thread at least....well anyway...do u understand what it takes to be a version of the Hulk?....he has to be one of those guys fighting for dominance in Banner's mind...War is not one of those guys....he is just savage hulk, or professor....with improvements....professor with the power of 2 universes is still inferior to mindless Hulk....in a physical match at least...professor at twice his strength is still relatively weak compared to mindless hulk....he is a good match up for juggernaut though....he is the version that juggernaut has fought in the two most recent encounters they've had (i think)...maybe because the two have a finite strength level, so it keeps it fair and interesting...whoever wrote the story with the pyramid did a poor job anyway....u cant pick up a pyramid, it is not held together by cement, it is shear weight that holds it together....if anyone, except maybe gladiator, picked up a pyramid, they would just pick up a couple ten ton blocks and the rest would crumble...the proof Mindless Hulk is stronger than War?...War was quantitatively slightly stronger than juggernaut....juggernaut got raped by the young, smaller, and less powerful version of onslought....yet Mindless Hulk went toe to toe with the biggest and strongest, most inhuman form of onlsought....while he was still in physical form....do not argue that it wasnt a credible story, like u always do....it was the story where they killed the fantastic four and the avengers, ending the original volumes of FF, Avengers, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America, etc...I think this would be the most closley edited story ever made...if u want to argue, didnt onslaught happen before the War Hulk story, meaning War fought the even more downgraded version of juggernaut, and was still barely stronger? that would not make him very impressive would it, if thats the case then there is no way u can call War the strongest...this is just my opinion however, as always its ok that we disagree...but i think my argument is pretty good and has a lot of facts...instead of me just jumping to conclusions and making stuff up, like a lot of people have done earlier
i understand what you are saying, i don't even remember why we are aurguing about it. i just believe war hulk is more powerful physically and is smarter than mindless hulk obviously. even if it's not technically considered it's own "incarnation. that's all i am saying because he simply had 2 universes worth of energy. plus about onslaught yet again, he defeated juggernaut *the only battle on panel* by using his weakness. psionics. so you are comparing a battle in the mind vs. a battle in the physical realm. also, what version of hulk was in #172? because that version wasn't smart, so it was probably mindless or something close to it. even then he didn't prove to be stronger than juggernaut. since onslaught juggernaut's power has been waning. it goes up, it goes down, but marvel has yet to state why. until recently it has just stayed down. way down. he can't even summon his old red armor, it is a mock blue armor. apparently so he could replace colossus as the x-men strong arm. but war hulk fought a legitimate version of juggernaut. IMO. so did d'spayre. i believe juggernaut was also himself in the 8th day series. but at most other times he is severely weakened in power by being drained of it or losing it without explanation. i don't know what you want to know other than that.
#172 is the regular savage hulk i think....it could have been banner hulk but i dont have the issue with me....probably savage....definitely not mindless...he has only been in a few issues and he is not even capable of speech really...yea i guess we will have to agree to disagree because i just proved how War Hulk is not his own incarnation or the strongest version and u didnt refute it at all...except for u saying he is stronger cuz of 2 universes...but still two universes of that incarnation (Professor i think) r nothing to a hulk with limitless strength....and like i said, the onslought fight was more than likely well edited because of how much the story affected all of Marvel's business...yea Jugs against War was apretty legit version of Jugs...although i think 8th day was being enhabced above his normal levels...didnt he and Thor have a fight when he was in the 8th day version, and not totally in control of himself?
in 8th day he was a little more affected by cyttorak's control. so he was using more of his potential. just like when he was ripping through dimensional barriers. an outside influence was keeping his mind under control while they used his full potential of juggernaut's power to destroy their own home dimension. whatever that might have been. but i just don't think you PROVED that mindless hulk was more powerful than war. you said he had "unlimited" strength. like i said, he has to be enraged to get to a certain limits. one being can only get sooo mad. but war just simply summoned the energy needed. he didn't have to get angry, he simply called upon it to use it. he can do anything that mindless hulk can do. isn't savage hulk just as powerful as mindless? or wasn't heroes reborn hulk nearly as powerful as both of them? the truth about hulk is alot of the more stupid versions is that they have not been tested to thier limits. so how do you know that mindless is even more powerful than savage? i still stick by what i say, that war *weather it be it's own incarnation or not* is the most powerful version of hulk to date. he was made to battle celestials.
if you want to talk about different incarnations, can you prove that maestro wasn't more powerful than mindless?? cause he stood at a base level double that of any previous hulk, yet he still had the ability to grow stronger as he got angrier. if my vote had to go to any "real incarnation" of hulk it would be maestro. not mindless. but i still believe war more powerful. but hey that be just my opinion. and as they say, they are like assholes, everybody has one.
hahahaha....u again prove u dont know much about Hulk....Maestro, War, Professor....they r all the same incarnation man....Maestro is just hella old...still professor, just insane and old...just like war is just professor and really suped up...Maestro and War would be a good match...so would maestro and Jugs.
if i'm not mistaken maestro is a different incarnation all together, war hulk, maybe not, because he only appeared for a single issue. i'm not so sure that maestro would prove to be a good match for war. he just summoned energy. a multi-verse worth of it. yet you think maestro, or any previous incarnation is a match for him? define the different incarnations of hulk. he has so many, who can keep up with them?
Ultimate Apoc has just been introduced, but we'll probably have to wait until next month to see what he's like. I think ultimate juggernaught was introduced a while back, and he IS a mutant in the ultimate universe.
Never, it's about time someone did something about your attitude here. You're just out of control with the rudeness. I don't know how many times you've been beaten to a pulp in your life, but I'm starting to think it wasn't enough.
Pointing out errors in his post would have been enough, without calling him a "Dumbass" or the "foot lodged up your ass" comments.
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The Juggernaut: "But I been feelin' despair my whole life. And I learned how to deal with it. I got mad!"
....and who the hell are you save yet another clueless fanboy running up in threads with inaccurate facts (Well, Grey Hulk starts at 70 TONS)?
LoL @ Ward Cleaver and his "it's about time someone did something about your attitude." LoL again @ being ignorant enough to ASSUME that one's posting habits necessarily reflect one's "real life" demeanor. LoL @ not having a clue what previous "debates" preceded said commentary.
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