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Kyo is the Flagship character because he is the most featured and he is from Osaka which is the base of Neo Geo world -_^ He was created intetionally to be the flagship character from the beginning. It didn't happen over time and SNK didn't just suddenly decided to make him the flagship because of his popularity.

And Iori, Nakoruru and Athena are a ways more popular than Kyo. Yet Kyo is still the flagship. I'd say in this case your statement of being the most popular and the strongest is invalid in this case.
Care to prove these statements?

Oh wait I'm just supposed to accept your word as proof of everything aren't I?


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I'm not being immature. I have a need to tell the truth. Terry used to be the main man and kick everybody's a$$. Not anymore.

--NESTS plan meeting--
Chief Scientist # 1: Let's clone the best fighter and unleash him on the World!! Hahahaha!
#2:We're cloning Terry Bogard?
#1:Hahahaha! Funny joke. Seriously I mean Kyo Kusa--
#2:I wasn't joking.
#1: *Takes a gun out of his lab coat and shoots #2 in the face for his ignorance* WHAT PART OF "BEST" DIDN'T HE COMPREHEND?!



Ryo is truly a ripoff of the SF shotos. Don't deny it. Look @ him. Look @ his moves. F**k it, just look @ his name. Why do you think Dan was created?


That prooves how much you dont know...you have no idea of The character of Ryo Sakazaki. Terry is overrated by the animes?...that's a laugh. I can turn around and say Kyo is overrated beacuse he is the lead in KOF. You still have not said why YOU say such childish things on Terry.


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Care to prove these statements?

Oh wait I'm just supposed to accept your word as proof of everything aren't I?



LOL. Very funny.

Go to the Playmore website and read for yourself. Also check out the location of Neo Geo world and check out where Kyo is from oh yeah also If you actually own any of these games you can see Kyo's stage has Neo Geo world in the background.


As for Nako, Iori and Athena being more popular than Kyo just go to ebay or yahoo japan auctions to see all the merchandise pertaining to each character. There's your proof. If you dont want to make the effort to check it out yourself then that's your own damn problem.


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LOL. Very funny.

Go to the Playmore website and read for yourself.[/]b
*points to the links he posted* I did.

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[B] Also check out the location of Neo Geo world and check out where Kyo is from oh yeah also If you actually own any of these games you can see Kyo's stage has Neo Geo world in the background.[/]b[/]quote] And? Neo geo world and arcade appeared in Terry's movie. . . So?

[QUOTE=5171092]Originally posted by 50YEN
[B]As for Nako, Iori and Athena being more popular than Kyo just go to ebay or yahoo japan auctions to see all the merchandise pertaining to each character. There's your proof.[/]b
Yeah, people hocking junk really shows how popular a character is. .

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[B] If you dont want to make the effort to check it out yourself then that's your own damn problem.
It's not my job to prove your case for you. IF you don't want to prove your case. . well we've been over this before.


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Actually merchandise plays HUGE part of how popular a character is. But maybe you dont go out much to really know.

Companies aren't going to make merchandises of characters that don t sell at least not repeatedly. If you compare the amount of merchandise of each character it's a very good way to tell how popular a character is.

It's called marketing. Supply and demand.


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LMFAO, nice.

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Since Kyo was created as a snazzy character capable of holding his own against the main characters of "Fatal Fury" and "The Art of Fighting,"


To hold his own. Not be stronger than.


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LMFAO, nice.



To hold his own. Not be stronger than.




Well SNK would never say one character is stronger than the other but they can imply a LOT. It's just like Ryu is tougher than Ken, Capcom will never say it because of PR reasons but It's obviously true. For PR reason lots of things are left ambigous for various reasons and outcomes of battles and ambiguous Love triangles are the most popular for this. Why do you think these online debates exist? If there was a clear winner there would be no real argument. But as said before SNK implies a LOT.

BTW Do you actually play any of these games or are you just some comics fanboy getting into arguments for the sake of doing so? You dont seem to have very much experience at all and you also seem to get all your info from the internet than actually reading, watching or playing the real things yourself. Just curiosity.


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It's Esaka, Osaka where Kyo lives ^-^


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Continued from my last post





"LOL. Iori wants to find Kyo because he wants to defeat him not be his lover -_^"

Whatever. Bottomline is he is so obssessed with him it's getting ridiculous and old.

"LOL You are right about '94 face off cover with Kyo team and Terry team but it doesn't really matter much as Kyo was still the most prominently featured and was the main character of the game. I remember Kyo also quickly became a fan favorite as well as Athena. Altho GD, RNK, IF and PS characters were in KOF I dont think it was for the reason of them specifically thinking it would help Kyo rather I think they were there more for KOF to be the definitive SNK game encompassing characters from ALL SNK games. In this sense KOF is the Main game and by extent Kyo being the Main hero of the KOF games in general only serves to put him above all other characters in the storyline."

Which is what I have stated before. With the well established FF and AOF games, if these characters had not appeared in KOF, it would not do so well oh many people will play it no doubt. The only reason Kyo was there was to look for his father and nothing else. Really the main focus was Fatal Fury and Art Of Fighting going head to head which is what most people wanted to see.

"As for Kyo being a star because of the other characters I dont think so. I think the other characters were there more for the sake of establishing Kyo and Japan team as the Main characters of the SNK universe. Think about it. you bring in other well established characters from other games to have them all dish it out in this tournament and you also introduce a new Main hero as well? Looks like SNK wanted to prove more that Kyo is not a pushover and can hold his own quite well against the Best there is. Content on the Playmore site supports this."

You are telling me nothing new here. Kyo was made to Hold his own against Terry and Ryo NOT to be stronger than them...SNK Playmore it clear themselves on their site I ALREADY KNOW. I am sorry but FF and AOF is what made KOF not Mr Kusanagi.

"Nope. but I use facts to support my argument while you're just blasting your opinion as tho it was fact. There's a BIG difference."

Thats funny you seem to be doing the same thing telling everybody that Kyo is stronger than Ryo,Terry as fact.

"Oh yeah? You may not have said it that way but Calling ppl names and saying this character is a "washout" or this guy is a "snot nosed brat" you could have fooled me."

I was talking to Brainchild since he seems to calling Terry a hasbeen and what not. Who did I say was a washout? I could have handled with Brainchild I admit.

"If you didn't know, Merchandise is a HUGE part of the game industry and a great way to know what companies are focusing on. In other words, the more popular the character, the more merchandises there is for that character. After all you want to get fans to spend their hard earned cash on those items. Of course the less merchandise the less popular."

"LOL. Terry is very popular specifically among ppl in their mid to later twenties since they grew up on GD and have fond memories of playing Terry and crew. Iori is just simply Insane, He's got Legions of Male and female fans. Kyo is also very popular. The fans are around you. You probably just dont get a chance to talk to them."

And who are you to tell me what kind of fans I talk to? Do you have a crystal ball forseeing who I communicate with? Many people all I talk to all over and younger are Terry fans. Even though most of the time Iori gets played more than anything.

"Ash is the current obsession with many Fanfic writers since he's new and not much is known about him. Being as most fanfics are written by female fans (Especially Yaoi) I'd definetly say that Ash would be a Very popular character among the female fans. As for Iori and Kyo there are Tons of fanfics (Especially Iori), again you just have to look."

I agree with you on that. Most fan girls loves Iori over everybody

"LOL You just proved my points with this statement."

What would that be? all I hearing is Kyo and Iori sell merchandise and Kyo is SNK and he is stronger than Terry, Ryo K etc etc..

"LOL. That other poster is just corecting you and trying to cure you of your blindness. His point is that Kyo is the main hero of the SNK universe and he is. I swear Terry fans are like Rock Lee fans they are so in love with Terry to the point they even forget the devlopments of the story and the place of the character. They bring up points that dont prove anything and even use their own opinion as the basis for an argument. They are so insulted by Kyo because he's the new Hero and they take it so much to heart they even take it out on the ppl they debate with."

Now who is being immature? you once again are saying Kyo is the Strongest snd the hero of the SNK universe...really. Kyo is the main character of KOF and now Alba is the main deal of MI and Ash is the main focus of KOF now. Terry fans are like Rock Lee fans that's hillirous so in other words people who are fans of Iori,Ryu,Ken,Kyo and who stick up for them must mean the are in love with them..LOL ok I get it.

"You have proved my point once again about Terry fans. In other words you are saying you are living in the past and cant move on. You are still living in the days when it was just Fatal Fury and Art of fighting Before KOF. Dude you're in denial Terry is no longer the hero of the SNK universe. if you want to live in the past, that's fine but dont come in here and start insulting other characters and people because you cant move on and get with the times."

Dont come in here? who may I ask are you to be yammering that?...you are funny because you seem to say that I am living in the FF days when all I was stating about FF and AOF jumpstarting KOF... now where have I said that "I AM LIVING IN THE FF DAYS" Dude you need to stop yourself coming in here and assuming things that havent been said... really.



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Well SNK would never say one character is stronger than the other but they can imply a LOT. It's just like Ryu is tougher than Ken, Capcom will never say it because of PR reasons but It's obviously true. For PR reason lots of things are left ambigous for various reasons and outcomes of battles and ambiguous Love triangles are the most popular for this. Why do you think these online debates exist? If there was a clear winner there would be no real argument. But as said before SNK implies a LOT.

BTW Do you actually play any of these games or are you just some comics fanboy getting into arguments for the sake of doing so? You dont seem to have very much experience at all and you also seem to get all your info from the internet than actually reading, watching or playing the real things yourself. Just curiosity.


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Address Esaka Sekishu Bldg. 15-11 Toyotsu-cho, Suita-shi, Osaka 564-0051 Japan
TEL (06)6339-6362
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It's Esaka, Osaka where Kyo lives ^-^


Funny because now you are telling someone else they dont have experience..again who are you? Kyo is from Osaka and yeah...


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Well SNK would never say one character is stronger than the other but they can imply a LOT.
Yeah but openly stating that they are all on par kinda kills any implications. . .

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It's just like Ryu is tougher than Ken, Capcom will never say it because of PR reasons but It's obviously true. For PR reason lots of things are left ambigous for various reasons and outcomes of battles and ambiguous Love triangles are the most popular for this. Why do you think these online debates exist? If there was a clear winner there would be no real argument. But as said before SNK implies a LOT.
Probably cross company would still exist, as obviously both companies would say their character is the stonger.

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BTW Do you actually play any of these games or are you just some comics fanboy getting into arguments for the sake of doing so? You dont seem to have very much experience at all and you also seem to get all your info from the internet than actually reading, watching or playing the real things yourself. Just curiosity.
LMFAO. . .

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TEL (06)6339-6362
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It's Esaka, Osaka where Kyo lives ^-^
So Kyo's a mary sue?


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Well I wouldn't know who you talk to or anything like that but I can at least speak based on experience of what I see online and the places I go. Kyo being stronger is my opinion but that opinion is based on how SNK writes their stories. and the way they are written Yes, Kyo would definetly seem to have an edge over the other heroes. But that's the way I see it and what I see is Terry and Ryo have done nothing for an entire decade. While Kyo is still very much in the main stories.

For you to just blatantly come on here and say Terry would win is no different as I said in an ealier post, There is no clear winner but Kyo seems to have more storyline value than Terry or Ryo. And Storyline value can take a character a very long way.


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Yeah but openly stating that they are all on par kinda kills any implications. . .

Probably cross company would still exist, as obviously both companies would say their character is the stonger.

LMFAO. . .

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So Kyo's a mary sue?



LOL. Well they say Ryu and Ken are "on par" does that mean Ryu and Ken are always equal?? No. The character who wins is the character the company favors. no matter what statement they say. Companies know that each main character has his/her own fandom so they willl always do their best to not alienate or make any character look weak by saying another main character can beat him/her

But Kyo is the same as any Main Anime hero. Like Naruto, Kurono or Ichigo. They always win in the end even against impossible odds. Main Character hidden power and unknown abilities.


One an say Kyo has many Mary Sue traits I guess but Nah I dont think so at least IMO. Iori could probably be one he has more of the tragedy.


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Well I wouldn't know who you talk to or anything like that but I can at least speak based on experience of what I see online and the places I go. Kyo being stronger is my opinion but that opinion is based on how SNK writes their stories. and the way they are written Yes, Kyo would definetly seem to have an edge over the other heroes. But that's the way I see it and what I see is Terry and Ryo have done nothing for an entire decade. While Kyo is still very much in the main stories.

For you to just blatantly come on here and say Terry would win is no different as I said in an ealier post, There is no clear winner but Kyo seems to have more storyline value than Terry or Ryo. And Storyline value can take a character a very long way.


Dude I did not come in HERE and say TERRY can beat this or Terry can beat that. Did I say some sh!t like Terry stomps Ken to the ground?..um no I DID NOT. Terry wins some and he loses some. Just because you are the main character does not mean that you are the strongest. Kyo is still going because of the orochi deal with Ash and that's it. I am also speaking on exeperience from places I go as well and what? The difference IS I already admit I lost it a little with BC buy you just come in here talking smack telling me I am a fanboy and Creshock he doesnt have Exeperince and such and such.

You see your way I see it my way. Even though Kyo has the Kusanagi DNA does not make him the better fighter than Terry or Ryo. Hey what can I say you see it your way I see it mine.


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Webcomics?? with Rockman sprites?? interesting..

Is this what you do?


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LOL. Well they say Ryu and Ken are "on par" does that mean Ryu and Ken are always equal?? No. The character who wins is the character the company favors. no matter what statement they say. Companies know that each main character has his/her own fandom so they willl always do their best to not alienate or make any character look weak by saying another main character can beat him/her

But Kyo is the same as any Main Anime hero. Like Naruto, Kurono or Ichigo. They always win in the end even against impossible odds. Main Character hidden power and unknown abilities.


One an say Kyo has many Mary Sue traits I guess but Nah I dont think so at least IMO. Iori could probably be one he has more of the tragedy.
You have a point there. Goji is going to be the same way. . .

I'm glad you knew what a Mary Sue was, that could have been akward.

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Webcomics?? with Rockman sprites?? interesting..

Is this what you do?
Not just rockman either. I wonder who all you can identify(You should be able to get all of them).

It's something some friends of mine were working on as a hobby, but right now we're working on making a manga that involves the characters.


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Dude I did not come in HERE and say TERRY can beat this or Terry can beat that. Did I say some sh!t like Terry stomps Ken to the ground?..um no I DID NOT. Terry wins some and he loses some. Just because you are the main character does not mean that you are the strongest. Kyo is still going because of the orochi deal with Ash and that's it. I am also speaking on exeperience from places I go as well and what? The difference IS I already admit I lost it a little with BC buy you just come in here talking smack telling me I am a fanboy and Creshock he doesnt have Exeperince and such and such.

You see your way I see it my way. Even though Kyo has the Kusanagi DNA does not make him the better fighter than Terry or Ryo. Hey what can I say you see it your way I see it mine.


You were saying Terry beats this and that quite a bit in your earlier posts. Anyway I am not here to insult anyone, more just to pass the time. I admit everyone here including myself can get quite heated. I apoligize if I personally offended anyone.

I never said the Kusanagi DNA makes Kyo a better fighter just that Kyo being significantly younger and fighting on the same level implies he's got more fighting potential and the fact that he can fight on the same level and train less than Terry says a lot.

As for Kyo, Terry and Ryo in the end they are all the SNK all star hero team and are all top tier fighters.


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You have a point there. Goji is going to be the same way. . .

I'm glad you knew what a Mary Sue was, that could have been akward.




LOL. Goji huh? Like Godzilla? Yeah I studied Literature for awhile in college so Mary Sue is a common thing mentioned to distinguish certain chars.



Not just rockman either. I wonder who all you can identify(You should be able to get all of them).

It's something some friends of mine were working on as a hobby, but right now we're working on making a manga that involves the characters. [/B][/QUOTE]


That's pretty cool. I will check it regularly. and take a closer look now. The manga you're making is online as well??


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You were saying Terry beats this and that quite a bit in your earlier posts. Anyway I am not here to insult anyone, more just to pass the time. I admit everyone here including myself can get quite heated. I apoligize if I personally offended anyone.

I never said the Kusanagi DNA makes Kyo a better fighter just that Kyo being significantly younger and fighting on the same level implies he's got more fighting potential and the fact that he can fight on the same level and train less than Terry says a lot.

As for Kyo, Terry and Ryo in the end they are all the SNK all star hero team and are all top tier fighters.


Well we both agree we get heated...I admit I could have handled it better myself and I really dont want to insult anyone but damn the other poster got to me.

I never really said that Terry can beat Ken probably in the end but it would be a hell of a fight. Mainly when I said Terry beats this and that I was aiming it at BC. But I still disagree on the Kyo part but thats in my opinion. I agree they are the all stars team for SNK.


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