Originally posted by King Kandy
I did however see Kirabi break out of Tsukiyomi... easily. Pain is far, far above any of Itachi's other opponents.Dude since when do you need a hand seal, Kirabi never used one and neither have tons of characters. Stop making stuff up.
If it touches one body, the others will get the hell out of there. Also Amaterasu can be dodged, and it can be sealed. Also the Hungry Ghost body can absorb it.
Hmm, what options do they have?
Summon something to get themselves out of there.
Reverse-summon the bodies that have been summoned.
Dodge.
Get out of range.
Hungry Ghost body can absorb it's attacks.
We don't even know if the thing can move.
How the hell would he not know about the eyes, Itachi was his subordinate and he works for Madara who has the same eyes (better actually) I mean even Master Gai knew about the eyes.
Both attacks fortunately can be dodged or absorbed by Hungry Ghost body.
Based on what?
Kirabi has the biiju inside him.
When have "tons of characters" Chiyo needed one to break Naruto out, and Kakashi couldn't break out.
That consits of handsigns to seal up Amaterasu, and Pein wouldn't have time to do that.
Kirabi has the biiju inside him.
When have "tons of characters" Chiyo needed one to break Naruto out, and Kakashi couldn't break out.
That consits of handsigns to seal up Amaterasu, and Pein wouldn't have time to do that.
Madara's eyes are currently damaged, so they are currently not better. Gai studied Sharingan for years, unlike Pein.
That is 1 body.
Based on what has happened so far.
I think if Absorbing Pein, and Yahiko Pein are fighting side by side they sure have a good shot at doing so. Add the other four bodies then I think the Akatsuki sure aren't going to be winning that easily. Having half a dozen summons running around, things blowing up everywhere, unable to hit one with any attack, and another absorbing any ninjutsu they use. If they can win it'll take a lot of effort.
Originally posted by Kento
I think if Absorbing Pein, and Yahiko Pein are fighting side by side they sure have a good shot at doing so. Add the other four bodies then I think the Akatsuki sure aren't going to be winning that easily. Having half a dozen summons running around, things blowing up everywhere, unable to hit one with any attack, and another absorbing any ninjutsu they use. If they can win it'll take a lot of effort.
Amaterasu
Crow Clone Jutsu
Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change
Ephemeral
Fire Style: Dragon Fire Jutsu
Fire Style: Great Fireball Jutsu
Fire Style: Phoenix Immortal Fire Jutsu
Mangekyo Sharingan
Sharingan
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Clone Great Explosion
Susanoo
Transcription Seal: Amaterasu
Tsukuyomi
Water Clone Jutsu
Water Jutsu: Water Fang Bullet
Clay Clone
Creative Destruction
Earth Style: Mole Hiding Jutsu
Exploding Clay (Various levels)
Suicide Bombing Clone
Earth Style: Underground Submarine Voyage
Samehada
Water Clone Jutsu
Water Prison Jutsu
Water Style: Exploding Water Shockwave
Water Style: Five Eating Sharks
Water Style: Grand Waterfall Jutsu
Water Style: Great Whirlpool Entwining Jutsu
Water Style: Water Dragon Blast Jutsu
Water Style: Water Shark Missile Jutsu
Brainwashing Investigation Jutsu
Human Puppets
Iron Sand
Iron Sand Drizzle
Iron Sand Gathering
Iron Sand World Order
Puppet Master Jutsu
Red Secret Jutsu: Performance of a Hundred Puppets
Sand Clone
Thousand Hands Manipulation Military Art
Earth Grudge Fear
Iron Body
Earth Style: Earth Spear
Fire Style: Intelligent Hard Work
Lightning Style: False Darkness
Wind Style: Pressure Damage
Unnamed Water Disintegration Style
Immortality (Jashin religion's secret jutsu)
Pikes
Triple-Bladed Scythe
Sorcery: Death Controller Possessing Blood
vs
Amplification Summoning Jutsu (Nine-Headed Canine Summon)
Body Replacement Jutsu
Fierce Raining at Will
Five Seals Barrier
Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability
Illusionary Dragon Nine Consuming Seals
Magic Lantern Body Jutsu
Mirrored Sudden Attacker
Panda Iron Wall (Panda Summon)
Sealing Style Absorption Seal
Shapeshifting Jutsu
Shinra Tensei
Soul Removal (Unnamed)
Summoning Jutsu (Multiple)
Water Style: Violent Bubble Wave (Crustacean Summon)
Water Style: Violent Water Wave
Wind Style: Violent Wind Palm
Pein has extreamly strong and devistating jutsu's, but with Itachi's, Deidara's, Sasori's, Kisame's, Hidan's, and Kakuzu's jutsu's put together, I don't think Pein can win. I say the rest of the Akatsuki 7-9/10 still.
More jutsu = instant win?
And I don't doubt the Akatsuki could win. But it won't be easy. Not when one of the bodies can fling there attacks any way he wants, and another can absorb any of there jutsu with ease. Not to mention all the summons they have to defeat which will waste chakra, and all the explosions they are going to have to dodge by the other Pein. It'll be a hard fight if they do win.
Originally posted by Kento
More jutsu = instant win?And I don't doubt the Akatsuki could win. But it won't be easy. Not when one of the bodies can fling there attacks any way he wants, and another can absorb any of there jutsu with ease. Not to mention all the summons they have to defeat which will waste chakra, and all the explosions they are going to have to dodge by the other Pein. It'll be a hard fight if they do win.
I doesn't mean instant win, but with all of those jutsu's and the power of each and everyone of those jutsu's, yeah, not an instant win, but they still win.
Heck, everyone knows it won't be easy. You do have a vallid arguement, and I can't say I disagree with you, because you are right, but if Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, Sasori, and Kakuzu distract and fight Pein long enough so that Hidan can get some blood from Pein, that ends it there, because I don't see Pein stopping being stabbed in the heart, or head. Itachi could burn all of the bodies, or get them stuck in genjutsu, Deidara could use C-3, C-4, or C-O, and win, Kisame has damaging water style attacks, Sasori has 250 puppets, and Kakuzu has the hearts at his disposal, against Pein, well everything that you said about Pein is awesome, and with Kisame, Itachi, Sasori, Hidan, and Deidara fighting Pein and wasting his chakra, it might give Hidan a way to get blood from Pein.
Nagato isn't ever around. Why would he be now? Nagato being hidden away wherever he is, and controlling the bodies is what he does. That doesn't change anything. Hidan getting the blood of the bodies he's controlling isn't going to kill him or he'd be dead already when Jiraiya killed the bodies but instead they were just revived.
Originally posted by Kento
Nagato isn't ever around. Why would he be now? Nagato being hidden away wherever he is, and controlling the bodies is what he does. That doesn't change anything. Hidan getting the blood of the bodies he's controlling isn't going to kill him or he'd be dead already when Jiraiya killed the bodies but instead they were just revived.
Why would he be now? Well lets see. Itachi is at a high jounin level, Kisame is at a high jounin level, Deidara is at a high jounin level, Kakuzu is at a high jounin level, Sasori is at a high jounin level, and Hidan is at a high jounin level. Pein has never been in a battle as tough as this one here, and if he doesn't come out and fight as well, it will be a quicker victory for Akatsuki, then it would be if he fought as well. And even if Hidan is a useless Akatsuki, MS, Clay Bombs, 4 masks of destruction, water shark bomb attacks, 250 puppets, and all of there other jutsu's is enough to finally give Pein his first loss.
That doesn't make any sense. We don't even know if Nagato has any type of power in his real body. We have no idea what Nagato can do at all. Him coming out wouldn't make a bit of difference. Not when he's got six bodies already to match up against the Akatsuki. All the different abilities of each body that complement each weakness a body has, plus half a dozen summons, and giant explosions means the lower Akatsuki memebers aren't winning this easily if Nagato stays away. Seeing as how Nagato wouldn't contribute anything, and as long as he's hidden he can keep reviving the bodies.
Originally posted by Kento
That doesn't make any sense. We don't even know if Nagato has any type of power in his real body. We have no idea what Nagato can do at all. Him coming out wouldn't make a bit of difference. Not when he's got six bodies already to match up against the Akatsuki. All the different abilities of each body that complement each weakness a body has, plus half a dozen summons, and giant explosions means the lower Akatsuki memebers aren't winning this easily if Nagato stays away. Seeing as how Nagato wouldn't contribute anything, and as long as he's hidden he can keep reviving the bodies.
Nagato is the one with Rinnegan, of course he has abilities. All Akatsuki, except for Hidan, can kill 1 body. Heck, Deidara just uses C-3, C-4, or C-0 and kills Pein. Itachi uses Tsukiyomi on Pein, etc. Still would be a good battle, but Akatsuki win. Pein could be all of them, but not at the same time.
Except we don't know what he has besides Rinnegan. And Pein's bodies are teams. They complement each other, and make up for the weakness. The Akatsuki are going to have to overcome that which I think will be extremely hard. It's not like it's going to be one-on-one fights. Each body will be helping out the other bodies so they'll have to deal with Absorbing Pein, Yahiko Pein, Summoning Pein, Missle Pein, and the other two bodies whatever they do all at the same time.
Originally posted by Kento
Except we don't know what he has besides Rinnegan. And Pein's bodies are teams. They complement each other, and make up for the weakness. The Akatsuki are going to have to overcome that which I think will be extremely hard. It's not like it's going to be one-on-one fights. Each body will be helping out the other bodies so they'll have to deal with Absorbing Pein, Yahiko Pein, Summoning Pein, Missle Pein, and the other two bodies whatever they do all at the same time.
True, but he is probably has everything, and more than Body 1. Easy, Itachi burns the main body with Amaterasu, Deidara blows one up with C-4, and heck, if its not 1 on 1 fights, it is a little easier now that each other will be helping the other. Yahiko will die from Amaterasu, no avoiding it, Summoning Pein gets blown up, and Kisame drowns the rest with water, and shark bombs, + Sasori's needles.
Pein has a lot more teamwork than the Akatsuki would have. Heck Deidara would probably hinder his own team with any of his great attacks. Microscopic Bombs, everybody dies, blowing himself up, everybody dies, hiding bombs underground, all but Itachi, and Pein have no idea where to find them. Deidara would have to hold back in a team battle more than anybody else.
Kisame making a lake wouldn't hinder anybody, and how can you drown dead bodies? And how does the other jutsu work against a guy that can deflect them, and a guy that can just absorb them working together. And Amaterasu is avoidable. They still have to deal with the half a dozen summons while trying to deal with half a dozen bodies that act as one with much better teamwork, and deal with missles coming at them.
I'm not saying they'll loose but really isn't not so easily known when there are a lot of factors to look at. More so in this team based match that will actually be more team based than any other. The Akatsuki will have to worry about their teams, try not to get in each others way, Deidara's biggest attacks are nulled unless he wants to kill his teammates also. Meanwhile Pein is basically one person that doesn't have to worry about anything his teammates do because they are all him and controlled by him.
Originally posted by Kento
Pein has a lot more teamwork than the Akatsuki would have. Heck Deidara would probably hinder his own team with any of his great attacks. Microscopic Bombs, everybody dies, blowing himself up, everybody dies, hiding bombs underground, all but Itachi, and Pein have no idea where to find them. Deidara would have to hold back in a team battle more than anybody else.
Well, if everybody dies, no one wins, and no one loses either.
Originally posted by Kento
Kisame making a lake wouldn't hinder anybody, and how can you drown dead bodies? And how does the other jutsu work against a guy that can deflect them, and a guy that can just absorb them working together. And Amaterasu is avoidable. They still have to deal with the half a dozen summons while trying to deal with half a dozen bodies that act as one with much better teamwork, and deal with missles coming at them.
O.k., maybe not drown them, but Kisame's water attaks will do enough damage to Pein's bodies to let someone finish him off. If Amaterasu is avoidable, then how come not even Sasuke could avoid it then? That will be Deidara's main job then, destroy the summonings. Itachi genjutsu's the missles.
Originally posted by Kento
I'm not saying they'll loose but really isn't not so easily known when there are a lot of factors to look at. More so in this team based match that will actually be more team based than any other. The Akatsuki will have to worry about their teams, try not to get in each others way, Deidara's biggest attacks are nulled unless he wants to kill his teammates also. Meanwhile Pein is basically one person that doesn't have to worry about anything his teammates do because they are all him and controlled by him.
And I am not saying this battle is a walk in the park, but they can win. Itachi and Kisame are a great team, Deidara and Sasori are a good team, and Kakuzu and Hidan, well they just flat out suck. A C-3 bomb is extremly hard to avoid, and I don't think Pein will be able to avoid consistant C-leveled bombs and fight the others. The only one that can dodge the bombs that I can think of are Itachi, because he already beat Deidara, and knows how to avoid his attacks. We already know that Pein can lose bodies, because Jiraiya KILLED one, and Itachi, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, and Kisame are like a bunch of Jiraiya's in skill.
Originally posted by Wil7
Well, if everybody dies, no one wins, and no one loses either.O.k., maybe not drown them, but Kisame's water attaks will do enough damage to Pein's bodies to let someone finish him off. If Amaterasu is avoidable, then how come not even Sasuke could avoid it then? That will be Deidara's main job then, destroy the summonings. Itachi genjutsu's the missles.
And I am not saying this battle is a walk in the park, but they can win. Itachi and Kisame are a great team, Deidara and Sasori are a good team, and Kakuzu and Hidan, well they just flat out suck. A C-3 bomb is extremly hard to avoid, and I don't think Pein will be able to avoid consistant C-leveled bombs and fight the others. The only one that can dodge the bombs that I can think of are Itachi, because he already beat Deidara, and knows how to avoid his attacks. We already know that Pein can lose bodies, because Jiraiya [B]KILLED
one, and Itachi, Deidara, Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori, and Kisame are like a bunch of Jiraiya's in skill. [/B]
😕 Sasuke did avoid Amaterasu. Though that's neither here nor there since Itachi wasn't trying. Sasuke also isn't on Pein's level. First how is Itachi going to genjutsu missles and use Amaterasu? Second how do you genjutsu a missle to begin with? Since genjutsu is illusion that doesn't work on inanimate objects.
None of Akatsuki have ever shown teamwork except Hidan and Kakuzu. And again how would Deidara be fighting summon after summon and Pein at the same time? And Itachi beat Deidara without Deidara doing anything big. He wouldn't know what Deidara was doing or anything as he doesn't know Deidara. Sasori would have a better chance avoiding Deidara's attacks because they know each other. And the only two anywhere close to Jiraiya in skill would be Itachi and Kisame. All the others are between Kakashi, and Sasuke level.