Big deal, Cap has caught his shield when it was thrown by the Hulk, who by the way is far far far stronger than Van but you don't see me using that in a debate about Cap's strength. Mainly because there is no way to prove how hard he threw it.
BTW, Daredevil casually threw that 400lb weight across a room, he's also flipped a limo that had like 4 people in it.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Vandal savage is not known to always have superhuman strength or other physical attributes. Its fluctuated over the years. Yea he has the years of exp, but it can only take him so far in combat. When Savage tossed the engine, WC was no more than 3 ft away from him. It had no type of travel velocity, nor was it a big engine. not only was Cap further away from DD when he threw the shield, but Cap shild > the engine Savage threw.
Also, in the fight you mention where Savage threw the engine, not only did WC have help, but he beat Savage via plot device which was a friggin bus.
Lol man. I didn't say I think it is acceptable for DD to withstand Namor's blows. I said it is on panel and peak humans regularly 'roll' etc with high powered blows. I only brought up the idea of DD surviving superhuman attacks because you kept on bringing up WC surviving assaults by Killer Wasp and Vandal. Sucks doesn't it?
have you ever tried blocking something that you can lift. or blocking something that you can throw? not nearly the same.
take a guy who can lift 400lbs and then have something superhuman toss it at him. you think he'll easily block it? no, he'll be killed.same for being able to throw it yourself. think of the heaviest thing you can throw, and then think of what would happened if it was thrown at you.........don't even consider the it being thrown by something superhuman, just that. chances are, there's no way in helll you can block it. superior feat.
vandal is stronger than captain america. more durable too. he threw an engine, cap threw a shield. how can you sit here and tell me that is the lesser feat?
BTW, i wasn't using that feat to suggest WC could take vandal savage. savage could take WC and DD.
they know as much as you do concerning wildcat. you're point?
you guys started out from the very beginning saying DD wins, and you knew nothing about WC. that right there tells me you had some other motive for voting the way you did. if you did that in the first place how do you expect me to sway you afterwards?
Yea...our motive is that DD is faster, more agile and more skilled.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
If you read the encyclopedia of the DC universe, it tells you that Wildcat is also a master of kick boxing, krav maga, hapkido, copoeira and other forms and is the worlds best boxer.
I love both characters though and I think that daredevil is more agile. It would be very close. Wildcat is by FAR DC's most underrated fighter. He should be in the top 5.
my point is how can you vote against a character while knowing nothing of him?
BTW, i've got quite a few scans so far. started on the WC respect thread today. i'll post what i have tommorrow
oh, and warrior18, that feat of batman Koing WC was not true.it's from batman/wildcat #3. he did not Ko wildcat with that hit. in fact, wildcat was completely fine afterwards.i think his performance in his bat fights alone constitute a win for WC. all DD has on batman is slightly better agility/speed.
so that's 2 stalemates with an edge to WC against batman.
I left that out since I don't know if everyone that has said DD wins agree with him being stronger, however I think we've all agreed with the points in my previous post.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
No, I knew a bit about WC's physical stats and his back-story. Chill out, I had a basic knowledge of WC. I based my opinion on this and on DD's on panel feats. Since you are arguing for WC (and know more about him) the onus was was on you to provide evidence in his favour,which apart from some ambiguous engine feat, you haven't done.
I'm not taking issue with lack of scans per say. Nothing wrong with listing feats so long as they are on a par with or greater than DDs. I myself don't own a scanner so will find myself in the same boat as you.
a few of his feats already(i'm not near completion yet). he's beaten a mind-controlled hawkman and endured his mace while evading his close range machine fire. he's beaten solomon grundy. he's beaten most of the justice society single handily.
Not sure which DC Encyclopedia you have, but the one i have says and i quote "Master of hand-to-hand combat, especially boxing; slowed aging (like other JSA members)"
I have the DC Encyclopedia hardcover (black). I believe it came out in 2004. Its says nothing about WC being a master at the other styles you mentioned.
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