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Giant Baby Bowser & Yoshi vs. Kain & Dante.
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Nephthys
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You know, BT has never mentioned the "weak-willed" part of that mind control. No wonder he doesn't like to give feats.


Well this was before his powers evolved and grew (though I don't know if his telepathy grew as well).


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That is still a ridiculous feat for both sides. Yoshi's eggs do not hurt him, but send him reeling backwards. And eggs like Yoshi's thrown hard enough to do that do not harm him.


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So getting hit by 8 eggs that don't hurt him defeats him because...?


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Big magic spell wore off? Dunno. Haven't played the game in a while. Maybe he finally fell over and couldn't get off his shell.


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Then I'll fill you in. Eggs get thrown. Eggs hurt GBB until he cant takes any more then its lights-out.

Eggs hurt the big baby.


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Then maybe Dante should squat, squeeze and hope he turns into a duck. (Though Kain take GBB out with his minds fo serious)


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Wait, doesn't BB just cry at the end? Technically he wasn't harmed to a great degree, he just didn't like being hit by them. They may have caused some slight pain, but no wounds.


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Big magic spell wore off? Dunno. Haven't played the game in a while. Maybe he finally fell over and couldn't get off his shell.



Seems like the spell does wear off or something.

BB seemed KO'd though.


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Nope, BB's knocked-out. His giant form to be knocked out with a few small hits says little for his durability.

Its not like the eggs are solid things. Hard for a hollow egg that shatters on impact to cause visible wounds.... oh why am I explaining it? They never show wounds in the Mario-verse.


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Here's where I show up to do corrections. *red pen*

BloodRain: Yes, an egg from Yoshi is one shotting Dante. There is no question of that. Also, you're 90M high estimate, has a few problems:

One, Yoshi is taller than Mario, who most signs point to being around 5'.
Two, the eggs actually disappears entirely before it hits GBB.
Three, this is a 16 bit console, direct scaling from a moving egg is pretty meh. no expression

Your 90M is the absolute minimum, and the horizon is miles away, so even at that height, which is impossible as GBB is taller than his own castle, he was sent back miles.

Three, Dante's never shown high hypersonic, all that supports that is artistic license.

So, yeah.. Also, Dante is not strong enough to damage GBB, nor fast enough to dodge a Yoshi egg, and Yoshi's a good enough shot to hit him. o_O

Kain's a total nonfactor. /Shrug.


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Nope, BB's knocked-out. His giant form to be knocked out with a few small hits says little for his durability.

Its not like the eggs are solid things. Hard for a hollow egg that shatters on impact to cause visible wounds.... oh why am I explaining it? They never show wounds in the Mario-verse.


Perhaps its because those eggs have enough force to knock him back quite a distance.

It may be hard for a hollow egg to cause wounds on impact, but its impossible for a hollow egg to move a giant turtle like dude quite a ways back.


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I know I said I was not coming here until I had grown bored of SC 2 (not likely for a while) but what can these characters actually do? most of the feats and claims about them on here sound very physical based, something Kain can bypass with his varied powers and Dante is quick and regenerative enough to best.

Its fortunate only Defiance powers are allowed otherwise Kain would just MC them, although soul rape and inspire hate are good options.


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Perhaps its because those eggs have enough force to knock him back quite a distance.

It may be hard for a hollow egg to cause wounds on impact, but its impossible for a hollow egg to move a giant turtle like dude quite a ways back.
The eggs actually probably are not hollow. Yoshi usually creates them by eating things, so yeah. The larger ones probably have a consistency similar to depleted uranium.


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MATH TIEM.

K. Let's assume GBB has the same mass as a volume of water his size. 1000 Kg per cubic meter. Now let's assume he's 90M tall as BR suggests!

Also, he's pretty round, so let's just make him an 80 meter sphere.

That comes out to a sphere with a radius of 40m, which is; 268082.57311 m^3 volume. Which is, guess what, 268082.57311 metric tons. So, even if GBB is this small, Yoshi hit him so hard, with an egg, that the egg moved 268082.57311 tons back, let's say a single kilometer. GBB reels for about 2 seconds, (not watching video, is rough guestimation.) when you hit him, so.... that's

K = 1/2mv^2

m = 268082573.11 kg
v = 500 m/s

K = 33 510 321 638 750 joules. o_O Now, imagine that on the small contect point of a Yoshi egg, it'd reduce Dante to liquid.

that's 33.5 terrajoules, btw.


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Nah its not. Of coarse it has problems. Finding that height consisted of looking at it ans spending 3 secs thinking of it. If its needed to look into I'll swing back on it later.

Yeah... no. Rainfall feat is what it is and Kain can probably kill them both off with his skills.

Edit: You're really gonna do physics on the Mario-verse? erm Not really a km or that far back.


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Rainfall feat is non-canon as it doesn't fit into the timeline of the battle.


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So yeah. Yoshi's throwing arm is insane. Dante cannot even dream of hurting GBB. o_O


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Dante would NOT survive an egg thrown by Yoshi, has no durability feat to suggest he would.


Dante has survived:

1. Surprise scythe attacks from a couple of sand demons.

2. A bullet to the forehead.

3. An impalement from Vergil's Yamato and then his own sword and then got up and put his hand through Yamato before he went Devil Trigger and fainted.

4. A punch from a large demon (only the ground was damaged).

5. A soul-draining sphere.

6. Getting zapped by lightning and then impaled with his own sword.

7. Another impalement and this time from an electrical sword.

8. Getting engulfed by the flames of Ifrit which are hotter than a volcano.

9. Skewered by energy lances from Mundus.

10. Skewered again by energy lances and then hit with a barrage of meteors that hit him all the way down (though he was in Sparda's Devil Trigger).

11. Being briefly wrapped in a demon with an acidic body.

12. Shot by Lady (which he comments that the bullet grazed his heart).

13. Staked with his own sword onto a Celtic cross.

14. A clash with a demon lord which destroys a building top.

15. A beating from Nero and then throw onto a wall and impaled. The first punch created a crater on the ground.

16. A punch from the demonic Savior which caused damage to the ground.

The Yoshi egg isn't doing squat.

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Yes he does, he used it to toss boulders at Yoshi in the boss fight.


If that truly was TK, Baby Bowser would've been a little better at aiming. If he is that bad at aiming, I highly doubt he would even catch Dante with a TK hold or Kain who can transform into mist. And Yoshi will be dead by the time Bowser decides to use "TK".


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Dante has survived:

1. Surprise scythe attacks from a couple of sand demons.

2. A bullet to the forehead.

3. An impalement from Vergil's Yamato and then his own sword and then got up and put his hand through Yamato before he went Devil Trigger and fainted.

4. A punch from a large demon (only the ground was damaged).

5. A soul-draining sphere.

6. Getting zapped by lightning and then impaled with his own sword.

7. Another impalement and this time from an electrical sword.

8. Getting engulfed by the flames of Ifrit which are hotter than a volcano.

9. Skewered by energy lances from Mundus.

10. Skewered again by energy lances and then hit with a barrage of meteors that hit him all the way down (though he was in Sparda's Devil Trigger).

11. Being briefly wrapped in a demon with an acidic body.

12. Shot by Lady (which he comments that the bullet grazed his heart).

13. Staked with his own sword onto a Celtic cross.

14. A clash with a demon lord which destroys a building top.

15. A beating from Nero and then throw onto a wall and impaled. The first punch created a crater on the ground.

16. A punch from the demonic Savior which caused damage to the ground.

The Yoshi egg isn't doing squat.



If that truly was TK, Baby Bowser would've been a little better at aiming. If he is that bad at aiming, I highly doubt he would even catch Dante with a TK hold or Kain who can transform into mist. And Yoshi will be dead by the time Bowser decides to use "TK".
K, look at these, and compare them to the math shown above, and realise how ridiculously petty they are next to the force of a Yoshi egg. A Yoshi egg will literally reduce Dante to a smear.

K, how would you throw a boulder without touching it?


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So you guys really think its stretched so far from what he can do? Lets see. Its been mathed at obm that he got to Ma10 running down. So casual Dante got to Ma10, it really hard to see him getting to Ma15 when in a serious fight? :/

Takes place in the actual fight.


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