because hercules has fought thor to a standstill for weeks, with neither holding back. Herc has also stalemated savage hulk as Thor has done. Per marvel in more than one circumstance they're equals in regards to raw strength. reference the arm wrestling feat for a very easy example of this.
Wonder woman has NEVER done anything on the same level with superman.
edit: I should probably clarify that thor has enough abilities on top of his strength that he should annihilate classic hercules 9 times out of 10. it's just in terms of pure strength they're equivalent.
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plus... Hercules and Thor both acknowledge it to be so as the Marvel's editorial staff..
Superman and WW dont have the same dynamic and acknowledgment by battle nor staff...
usually its said she is in their strength class but not equal to it just near or close and in battle she has bn shown to be severely outclassed by supes in strength more then once.
Wut? Did you not understand why I think its far-fetched?
Because apparently a few class 100s are the only things hitting it in your view?
There is no way WW+gauntlets ('10x' multiplier be damned) outstrips the combined Force/PSI output of:
Thor (Masterson's inexperience aside had no less raw power as Thor)
Hulk
Hercules
Colossus
Sasquatch
Thing
She-Hulk
Rogue
Jean's blasts
Wolverine's adamantium claws
Cyke's Optic Blasts
Iceman's blasts
Human Torch's blasts
There's a few I don't recognize too, one of them appears to Wonderman. I think I see Maxam too.
All of those guys are outputting far over a 100 tons of force. 100 tons is small as hell in relative terms. a modest sized boulder.
Well, all of those guys except wolverine.
He's not outputting 100 tons of force, but he's outputting an unspeakable amount of PSI (a unit of pressure, which is entirely different to force, as it has to do with surface area and the latter does not) due to his adamantium claws. Considering the types of people he's hurt, friggin Thanos for one, for the shield to tank his claws is a massive showing.
And yes classic Sasquatch was very comfortably into class 100. Professor Hulk was strong as hell, don't know where people got the idea that he's weak. He just amped slower than Savage but was much stronger at base.
Lesse, there's 13 people on that list, and Colossus, Thing, Sas, She-Hulk, Rogue, Jean (in that version), Wolverine, Human Torch (non-Nova), and Iceman (who's doing normal chill-blasts and nothing approaching herald level) are all dishing out quite a bit less power than Thor/Herc, often a fair bit less than half as much. Ditto Cycs if he's not really going all-out, which he doesn't appear to be coming remotely near.
I don't see Maxam (I did see what appears to be Thunderbird, who hardly matters at all, he was what, class 5 at the time? Or 25?). Break most of those heroes (the actual herald-levels aside) into groups of 3-4 and WW still significantly outpowers most of the groups you could make.
So yes, WWx10 is stronger than that list combined. So is Hercx10 or Thorx10. A few people in the same strength league plus 10~ who are well below that level aren't going to match up to someone of this levelx10.
Swap everyone there but Herc out for 9 more Hercs, and there'd be a significant increase in hitting power there.
i'm thinking Wonder woman rapping her lasso around her knuckles would demolish the construct due to it;s magic attributes...
that would seriously screw with Quasar..
plus magic sword that is enchanted to slice/cut and Quasar not knowing about him might get him seriously maimed if not killed by wonder woman depending how we are depicting her CIS in this battle.
Still, he was mad and fought like an enraged fool for most of it. It's just not fair to judge good showings against mind controlled characters. There was a fair amount of PIS/CIS in that fight.
Around 510-515 maybe? I saw scans of it somewhere.
Except that he used his powers in combination more than he does almost all the time too. It's not like he was fighting like a dumb brick, he was using superspeed, strength, and ranged powers in combination. He was even reacting to Diana's threats like avoiding the lasso the one time she used it.
He was fighting enraged and thus left some openings but he was remembering his powers more than 90%+ of fights out there. Aggressive, but not dumb.
But, the question was, "Does Wonder Woman have the power to fight someone with top-tier power?" and enraged Superman counts as much in that (or possibly more-so since he's actually putting out more power) as normal more cautious Superman, it's just dealing with a different tactical scenario. So the answer is without a doubt "Yes," it's just not normal Superman.
She's fought and stalemated normal more cautious Superman too, and those cases tend to go like Supes/CM fights- that is to say, hitting back and forth with no real injury. The implication seems to be that he needs to be going enraged/all out in order to deal damage fast.
Not much, it was a pretty good fight and one of the better in terms of power usage with both pulling out all the stops. Although the writer did chose to mostly ignore the lasso (she used it in only one attack, even though it's obviously an easy win? Clearly to make things more dramatic).
An instantaneous superspeed blitz while shooting heat vision and superspeeding towards the Sun, which would kill Diana and simultaneously also amp Superman...
... is Superman acting like an enraged fool?
Sounds exactly like how KMCers want Superman to fight.
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