I don't think this will be easy, but I think while Cap is fighting Wildcat Green Arrow can take advantage of the distraction and take him out from range.
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I don't see what that iceman beast scan is suppose to prove Bobby intentionally froze his legs.That had more to do with iceman not wanting to hurt him than him being able to take him on.
So whats the point are you trying to show? that cap can over come the odds against people more powerful than the two in this thread how does that work if those people intentionally hold back or don't fight to the best of their abilities.
The point is that not only can he fight against two stronger opponents, but also two opponents with years of experience working together. I also wouldn't say they were holding back that much. In that issue everyone was pretty heated and Cap was about to smash Beast in if not for Iceman stopping it.
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Dude if Bobby wanted that fight over it would have ended in one panel he could have frozen Steve solid, bulked up and gone h2h trapped him in a ice prison etc etc.I told you to pick a better example where Steve was the reason he won the fight not because his opponent didn't want to hurt him and went easy.
I've already have. Avengers Prime #1 against 20 or more armed trolls.
Do I really need to show "Steve Rogers Super Solider" # 3 where Steve didn't have the SSS activated in him; still taking down three security guards on the SSS?
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WC isn't near Cap in physical stats, skill nor tactics. Cap has left opponents attacking his after image in Secret Avengers while fighting alongside Shang-Chi. Reaction time is a big factor here.
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Hey no disrespect, but if Cap can enter a large cabin full of ARMED trolls (swords, axes, shields, armor, arrows and spears) and only be hit beryl by an flaming arrow against 20 or more opponents; he can deal with these two. How can two less skilled, less experienced and physically outmatched opponents overwhelm him?
One fighter who IS a highly skilled boxer with mastery of several other martial arts but lacks the endurance to truly last against Cap. And the other opponent is even less skilled who relies too much on his bow and arrow. Anyone thinking Cap will leave an opponent who visibly has a ranged weapon alone to get the open attack doesn't truly know how Cap engages an opponent.
I've seen Cap dodge a sneak attack from behind, then throws his shield, ricocheting it off the wall behind Zuran; taking him out on the return. He caught the shield without even looking; right arm reaching out.
Cap has even dodged multiple leasers in mid air. He's fast. Very fast; too fast for GA to even get off a shot if Cap really wanted to get to him before hand.
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cap has a physical and skill edge on them both, but that doesnt equate to him beating them both. Like i said someone of caps power set and level would be no where near an insurmountable task for 2 elite dc peaks such as these. You obviously dont know much about thesse characters. On a good day teds taken more formmiddable foes. Hhis damage soak and strength is off the scale. He could definitely hang with cap alone. And GA is a great tactician and has nailed faster opponents. This whole notion that steve is too fast for ollie to touch with an arrow is unrealistic.also, ted has about 70 years of experience along with rejuvenation through magic.
ollie has tagged slade before and managed to in that same issue. Slades faster anyway. Cap does not possess the same brain function that makes slade the team beater he is. Stop trying to make slade a dc barometer for steve rogers. Hes not. Plain and simple.
Like i said, either one of these guys can take a minority vs cap. The notion that he can take a majority vs both only implies a lack of knowledge on both combatants. Teds 7 decades worth of experience, for example. Just how much does cap have?
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