I love how Dean is doing the EXACT same thing he was whining at Sam for doing back in season 4. Hypocrite much Dean?
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
Many of the angels are pretty depowered or injured. Not really inconsistent, imo.
That's kind of the point. Almost every season, we see Dean have to pick up after Sam. To save Sam. This season, which is the first time since what, season 3? We see Dean slowly losing it as he gets deeper and deeper in to it.
At least Dean had some recognition and self-awareness of what was happening to him. He just had to reconcile it with the fact that he needed to kill [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Metatron.
Supernatural's first two seasons were its best. Seasons 3-4 were pretty good, but while the introduction of angels was initially interesting (particularly the Ancient Conspiracy that the Heavenly Host were facilitating Armageddon), angels have long since worn out their welcome.
Not only that, but the show somewhere along the way slipped into Whedonesque camp. That may have worked well for Buffy and Angel, but Supernatural was a genuinely freaky horror show on cable. But for the past several seasons, it's been too damn goofy to be scary anymore. Stuff like angel radio? Seriously?
The problem is that the introduction of Cas The Pet Angel really neutered the bad guys. That was somewhat reversed by the great subversive revelation that the Heavenly Host was kinda the "villain."
Part of Supernatural's appeal for me is the notion that Sam and Dean held their own against the forces of darkness thanks to cunning, preparation, and skill. But when push came to shove, they were absolutely the underdog. There hasn't been genuine tension in the show for me in 3 or 4 seasons. And when they do try to introduce baddies that trump angels (e.g. Leviathans), the result is laughable.
But Supernatural hasn't had a commanding villain since Alastair. Abaddon was the closest that came to it.
They've both done their share of having to clean up after each other, but I guess the problem is Dean has always been someone who is a hypocrite. Yes he recognized what was happening, just like Sam knew the demon blood wasn't ideal, but he had to do it to kill Lilith. Dean couldn't give him the understanding for that, but he totally expects Sam to give HIM the understanding when it is his turn. The ends justify the means when it is Dean, but not Sam.
This goes all the way back to early in season 5 with Dean being somewhat of a prick. Whichever episode had Paris Hilton, there is the part where Sam walks into their hotel room and Dean is on the phone with Bobby, he says "I don't know why these ghosts are going crazy, maybe the apocalypse" and then he says "well, we all know who is to blame for that". Never have I more wanted to slap Dean Winchester then in that moment. He killed Lilith and it freed Lucifer, true..but there was a whole chain of events that lead up to it..and Dean was kind of forgetting he broke the first seal himself. It wasn't all on Sam, Dean played his part too, but he'd never admit it. This ignores the fact that the real people to blame are Cas and the angels.
Or in season 8 when he kept going on and on about how Sam let Kevin down. When it is Sam, Dean thinks it is okay to just whine and moan and all this about him, but when the tables turn onto Dean he gets all pissy and thinks everyone should just fall in line with him. He nearly calls Sam the friggin anti christ for working with demons, but for Dean it's totally okay. It says something that Dean whined at Sam for abandoning Kevin..more then Sam whined at Dean for TRICKING him into letting an angel possess him.
I guess what I'm saying is..Dean never ceases to remind us all the reasons Sam wanted to get the hell away from both him and John in the first place.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
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tbh, I'd take Crowley's wit over someone like Abaddon, but I know what you mean.
Honestly, I don't agree. Dean has consistently put Sam ahead of himself, and even when he gets pissy, he still keeps on track.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Dean flat out admits that the blade is doing something to him. Sam kept Ruby from him, of all things. Sure, Dean had his part to play, but over the 9 seasons we've had so far, Sam has been WAY more of a screw-up than Dean has.
It's been a running theme since season one that Dean is the seasoned hunter who doesn't know how to be the best brother, while Sam is the good brother that wants to be as good a hunter as Dean.
Dean makes far less excuses than Sam does, and even in this season, during his "this is not a democracy" bit, he makes it clear he knows something is wrong, but that doesn't mean Metatron gets to get away with things.
This is all true, but this is the point Sam has made before though. Since, Dean doesn't need to keep putting Sam ahead of himself.
First I don't get the need for spoiler tags, this is a Supernatural topic and the finale just aired recently, I'd expect to be spoiled if I clicked it..but anyways.
Sam did hide Ruby from Dean, but then Dean also tricked Sam about Gadreel and lied to him about killing Amy and faked a 911 msg from Amelia(or whoever Sam's chick was), etc.
You say Sam has been more of a screw up, but why? Sam's major screw up was the demon blood stuff. Okay, I will grant you that, but then after that..how has he screwed up? I will note that deciding not to look for Kevin and to live a normal life isn't exactly a "screw up" persay, but what other major screw ups does Sam really have?
I'm not saying Sam is innocent, but rather that Dean has this need to put Sam before him. It's like that is his lot in life..Dean isn't here to save the world, etc. he's here really just to save Sammy. But that isn't the case, Sam, over all, doesn't need to be "saved" like that. That is the whole point Sam was trying to make to Dean this season, it doesn't need to be that way, Dean WANTS it to be that way. You could see during the trials in season 8..Dean couldn't stand the fact it was Sam doing them instead of him.
Also, I disagree about their hunting skills. Dean was a seasoned hunter in season 1..Sam was as well, he'd just taken a few years off. Hell you saw the way a young Sam beat down that one Bully..and Sam weighed like 20 pounds there. I get that in a sense he did want to be like his older brother, but more or less around season 2 and then on Sam has shown he is more or less just as skilled a hunter as Dean is. Sam is a hunter who takes down entire nests of vampires by himself. But I don't see one as specifically better then the other. Sam might have a physical advantage over Dean, but that is it.
__________________ Chicken Boo, what's the matter with you? You don't act like the other chickens do. You wear a disguise to look like human guys, but you're not a man you're a Chicken Boo.
Last edited by Surtur on May 22nd, 2014 at 10:46 PM
I read they're set to try another back door pilot next season.
They're really missing out on the obvious IMO.
A Crowley series would be all sorts of awesome. Mark Sheppard could carry a series with this character.
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