I mean when he fought Sephiroth it was before Hojo gave him the copy treatment, a procedure that gave Zack double the Jenova cells and far more mako energy than any other SOLDIER.
No, the process failed on Zack because he already had been enhanced.
Where do you get that? Tidus and team never TRIED to take out that many troops. They DID fight sin, however, and not only made it through, they gave him a pretty good beating.
You are vastly underestimating the FFX characters. While any one of them may not be able to defeat Zack one on one, they would be more than a match for him all at the same time.
The process didn't fail, it allowed him to go from being beaten by Sephiroth to being able to defeat not only a man who was his near equal, but that same man when he was being powered by the lifestream and the goddess materia. Zack was much stronger post nibelheim.
Given that Zack killed 998 unenhaced troops supported by helicopters, less than a dozen unenhanced members of a rag tag team wouldn't be much of a challenge for him.
I have no doubts that Zack would defeat Tidus, but if you're insinuating that Zack can beat Tidus and his team by himself you're clearly wrong.
The Final Aeon doesn't have the destructive power of Sin, but the Final Aeon is the only being in the Final Fantasy X universe that can defeat Sin, I think that's pretty much a fact.
What makes you think than Zack would beat Braska's Final Aeon by himself, If the Final Fantasy X team did it with efforts? That's like saying that Zack would beat the entire team by himself.
Zack would beat the whole team by himself. A SOLDIER is more powerful than any member of Tidus' team, and Zack killed hundreds of SOLDIER 2nds and 3rds through the course of Crisis Core, as well as nearly a thousand MPs in a single battle. How is a rag tag team of less than a dozen going to pose a challenge to him?
1,000 heavily armed troops with 3 attack helicopters supporting them wouldn't exactly have an issue with BFA. Then there is SOLDIER, an elite force of nothing but superhuman warriors that would make quick work of it. Zack defeated both of these groups with no trouble at all.
Given that he is much faster than anyone on team FF X he'd simply decapitate them one by one before any of them could react.
No, Zack was the failed experiment everyone was talking about in FFVII, not Cloud. It didn't work on him because he had already been altered with his mako enhancements where as Cloud had not. It's all in the FFVII ultimania or whatever those things are called.
Some soldiers and helicopters wouldn't stand a chance against the Final Aeon. Now your giving the SOLDIERS too much credit. They are like, the weakest enemies in FFVII. Every member of Clouds team takes them out no problem, they aren't a very big threat to anyone. Tidus and his team defeated the Final Aeon, thus Tidus and his team could beat those soldiers, thus Tidus and his team could beat Zack.
Are you serious? You think those soldiers could take out the Final Aeon, arguably one of the strongest creatures the FFX world has to offer? The thing that beat sin, which decimates whole armies without breaking a sweat? Stop being ridiculous.
What? He doesn't have super speed. His physical abilities are higher than that of a normal person, that's it. The FFX Crew are NOT push-overs. They defeated sin, which would spank Zack like a tiny poodle fighting a grizzly bear.
Remember the huge ****ing gorge in the Calm Lands? That came from an older version of Sin fighting an older Final Aeon. And since, logically, every Final Aeon would be stronger than the one that came before it (after all, the newer Final Aeon > the newer Sin because that Sin is formed from the Final Aeon that beat it), Braska's Final Aeon should be capable of even greater feats of destruction.
Zack was a failed experiment because he didn't become comatose, pay attention to FF VII's plot. All Hojo was looking for were mindless drones to test his Jenova reunion theory, he didn't bother to test his subjects strength.
That's great, except for the fact that there are no canon encounters with SOLDIERs in FF VII and the FF VII party is by feats much more powerful than the FF X party even if this weren't the case.
Yes, I am serious. The FF X armies are weaker and technologically inferior to FF VII's armies. Not to mention that the real SIn is never fought, just the previous FA.
Yes he does. He was surrounded by 50 infantryman firing automatic weapons at him simultaneously, and he dodged there gun fire like it was nothing. Zack makes Matrix characters look slow, the FF X team could not hit him or react to him.
Now please, stop being a fanboy for a minute and look at this objectively. The party of FF X is one of the weakest in the series, with only XII's being weaker for sure. They aren't really anything more than normal humans with some weapons skill and a bit of magic.
Zack, on the other hand, is equal to one of the strongest protagonists in the FF series, Cloud. He's slaughtered summons solo like they were nothing, taken out armies on his own, defeated two of the top three 1st class SOLDIERs, and defeated the goddess of the lifestream.
Not a single member of team X could replicate these feats, Zack would literally just overwhelm them with his superior, bullet timing speed and have their heads on the ground in under a minute. There wouldn't even be a fight.
No cannon encounters? You mean there were no story line related encounters? You fight them as normal enemies. Does that mean we can't say Cloud would beat one of those squirrel enemies because technically there was never a story segment to go along with it? The very fact that they are treated as normal enemies shows they are nothing special.
Where do you get that? FFX technology might be weak at present because of the fallout of machina after sin came, but it wasn't so back in the war.
Yeah, we've been over this. When Tidus and the rest go inside sin, that was the first time that had been done. There is nothing at any point in the game ever, that said that the FA goes inside sin to fight the previous FA, at least not any part that I have been able to find. If you can show me the part of the game that says that, then do so, but as far as I can see, Yunalesca says the FA defeats sin. She doesn't say the FA goes inside and defeats the other FA, she uses the words "sin" and "defeats".
And anyway, that's not even important. Tidus and the rest fought sin by themselves and won. They could have killed it right there but it would just come back, so they went inside. Zack can't beat sin.
I think FF developers reserve the right to be inconsistent here. I mean, FFX has enemy soldiers who have guns too, so by that logic, FFX characters can dodge bullets as well.
Who are you accusing me of being a fanboy of? Jecht? Sin? Right, I'm a fanboy of a giant whale monster.
"Zack would smoke the whole FFX team. Zack beats the Final Aeon no problem. Before Zack, the Final Aeon is nothing! Zack would literally just overwhelm them with his superior, bullet timing speed and have their heads on the ground in under a minute. There wouldn't even be a fight."
Now THOSE seem like fanboy statements to me.
Except their villain that they go up against was one of the strongest in the series. Now that I think about it. The FFX crew might be the strongest in the series.
They are obviously more than that, since they went toe to toe with sin, AND Jecht FA form and came out the victor.
Yeah, but he couldn't beat Sephiroth. So, either that godess of the lifestream wasn't all that powerful, or its just an inconsistency. Final Fantasy makes plenty of those.
In the end, Tidus's team beat sin. That's really all I have to say.
You mus have not played FF VII or you really have something against it. We know from Advent Children that Barret is an incredible fighter, yet Cloud tells him in VII that if he ever encountered a single SOLDIER he would be dead. Cloud saw him fight in the reactor, he knew what Barret could do, yet he still said a SOLDIER 3rd was much better.
Look, this is getting silly. I understand you and Tac really like FFX, but Zack would destroy any of the main characters with one well placed slash. This means he would just speed blitz and decapitate them all in under a minute.
There really isn't anything more than that, Zack stomps here, only a X fanboy would think otherwise.
Barret is incredible slow, EVEN in Advent Children, he's a good fighter in what sense? He just shoots his Gun-Arm, that's all, obviously that some of those 3rd class SOLDIERS would win. Barret is one of the weakest characters from Final Fantasy VII, if not the weakest of all.
By the way thanks to the person who posted that Sin gameplay vid. I miss the ol' X battle theme.
Someone mentioned Barret being slow. Ditto. I haven't ran county races in years and I can still outrun the f00.
Also as support for the Zack side, although Sin can wipe out armies (actually eradicate them to the point you can't see them) and destroy regions of the world, it has to get weakened, and this is why the X cast beat it. It's vulnerable to the hymm, so don't think that ordinary ship blast that broke off its limb can honestly put it down. Watch the scene where the ub3r charged electricity beams from the tower couldn't to anything but just anger it some more. You need the hymm, if you're Tidus and friends, to take that thing down.
...Actually reading that now, I don't see how this is support for the Zack side at all.
Actually what I meant was, this is one possible way the Final Aeon beat it.
So, this explains why the Final Aeon, who is Jecht, may not be as uber as Sin...but then again if I recall correctly, we are told Jecht "is" Sin...so...whatever...FF is confusing as it is.
So in a way, what I was saying is supporting Zack, and kind of...not. Someone said the Final Aeon and Sin aren't synonymous...which I understand...but I still remember hearing/reading from the game "Jecht IS Sin"...so ya.
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Are you listening to yourself? "Zack would destroy any of the main characters with one well placed slash. Zack stomps here." And you are calling anyone but YOURSELF a fanboy?
I find it humorous that, now that every one of your points have been refuted, the only thing left you can turn to is calling your opponents fanboys. I think this debate is over.
Oh Jecht is sin, we have more than adequately covered that topic, rest assured.
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