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Dr. Doom and Magneto versus Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister
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based on what?

Because of the battle between Apoc and Magneto in House of M: Civil War

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^ Awesome pics. I really dislike how Apoc was defeated soooo easily. Abit of PIS imo, but Mags probably still would've won without it.

No, he wouldn't, except if you mean in House of M where Magneto was destined to win because of Wanda of course.

Apocalypse can be a beast or a joke. But he is more of a joke lately (with an exception of Ultimate universe).

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No, he wouldn't, except if you mean in House of M where Magneto was destined to win because of Wanda of course.

Apocalypse can be a beast or a joke. But he is more of a joke lately (with an exception of Ultimate universe).

I agree, Apocalypse was easily on HE level when he was an X-factor villain in the 80's. But the 90's X-team writers jobbed him out to Stryfe, Cable, and Magneto to the point that his character became laughable. Not to mention the later stuff with Namor (the table) and Black Bolt that even further ruined his credibility. But, regarding the match up without prep time Dr. Doom in a straight up fight with either Sinister or Apocalypse gets wasted. Magneto even with his magnetic powers is still susceptible to sinister's psi powers, which were lethal in Inferno. As for Apocalypse (Classic X-factor) he would make quick work of either Doom or Magneto, considering neither one could handle his versatility ( Fights with PE Ikaris and HE) or raw power. (restraining the Hulk effortlessly)

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Doom and Magneto win this. With prep they can take the others out. Doom takes on sinister and he could easily beat him. Magneto has beaten Apoc before I believe so I think its safe to say team one wins this.

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No, he wouldn't, except if you mean in House of M where Magneto was destined to win because of Wanda of course.

Yeah, he would.

Average of Mag's showings >> Apoc's average

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But, regarding the match up without prep time Dr. Doom in a straight up fight with either Sinister or Apocalypse gets wasted. Magneto even with his magnetic powers is still susceptible to sinister's psi powers, which were lethal in Inferno. As for Apocalypse (Classic X-factor) he would make quick work of either Doom or Magneto, considering neither one could handle his versatility ( Fights with PE Ikaris and HE) or raw power. (restraining the Hulk effortlessly)

Doom would probably take them in a straight up fight as well.

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Yeah, he would.

Average of Mag's showings >> Apoc's average

We're going to have a nice discussion about that claim.

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Doom and Magneto win this. With prep they can take the others out. Doom takes on sinister and he could easily beat him. Magneto has beaten Apoc before I believe so I think its safe to say team one wins this.

No, he has never defeated him (except if you mean AoA, non cannon). It's even assumed that it was Apocalypse who stopped Magneto during Magneto War.

Classic Apocalypse cleans with Doom and Magneto together in a straight battle.

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Doom couldn't definitely take Sinister.

Anyone could beat Apocalypse, Beak could probably beat him, right Xplosive. shifty

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Anyone could beat Apocalypse, Jubilee could probably beat him, right Xplosive.

I know you are joking, but honestly, lately, I wouldn't be surprised actually, if that would happen.

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I know you are joking, but honestly, lately, I wouldn't be surprised actually, if that would happen.

Look at my edit, I found an even shittier X-man.

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Apocalypse is obsessed with his theory of survival of the fittest. And takes a step further to ensure that only the strong survive under his rule.

But!!! Going through power augmentation only proves that he himself is not fit to lead.

And it is well known that Apocalypse is not a true immortal. The need to swap bodies emphases his own mortality. The need to enter a chamber of rejuvenation emphasizes that there is a finite use of his powers, And there is a finite amount his body can withhold before exhaustion.

apocalypse's spirit is immortal, the bodies he uses get burnt out from his power so he has to exchange them.

and self modification isn't a weakness at all, he after all had the intelligence and power to acquire said amplifications from whomever previously owned them ei. stealing prosh from saul by beating him the fvck up.

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Doom couldn't definitely take Sinister.

Anyone could beat Apocalypse, Beak could probably beat him, right Xplosive.

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apocalypse can will himself more durable than adamantium by several magnitudes, he can just sit there. no expression

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Apocalypse is obsessed with his theory of survival of the fittest. And takes a step further to ensure that only the strong survive under his rule.

But!!! Going through power augmentation only proves that he himself is not fit to lead.

And it is well known that Apocalypse is not a true immortal. The need to swap bodies emphases his own mortality. The need to enter a chamber of rejuvenation emphasizes that there is a finite use of his powers, And there is a finite amount his body can withhold before exhaustion.

Just thought I'd jump in here- Apocolypse didn't have to "Swap" bodies before cyclops destroyed/severely damaged the original with Baby Nathan's+Jean's+His power back in Xfactor. up until then, it was his original body- though infected with a TO virus and enhanced with celestial tech.

There's a finite amount every OTHER body besides his original can hold- but it's never been indicated that was the case with his original form.

It's also worth noting that magneto tore AOA Apocalypse (who should have been using his original body in that timeline and NOT a host) Clear in half, causing what was likely fatal damage.

Magneto ALSO completely and utterly wrecked Cable's TO body effortlessly back in Xforce.. (I don't recall the issue, but it was aboard asteroid M) ..so it appears TO bodies are HIGHLY vulnerable to magnetic manipulation, powers be damned.

I'd give the edge to Doom + Magneto because of this.

Sep 13th, 2008 06:58 PM