"The Multiverse ...
a collection of Alternate Dimensions with a similar nature and Universal hierarchy.
Earth 616 and alternates seen in the MU
(which include being like the Watcher, Eternity etc) are withIN the SAME Multiverse.
Realms LACKING this hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE of the Multiverse"
Terrifying the hierarchy (LT included) that they couldn't even act is more impressive.
On top of that,
Beyonder defeated Molecule Man,
who was himself was more powerful than the enitre hierarchy (LT included) combined.
Well, I know both characters and their feats intimately.
Beyonder has the beeter feats, no question.
I agree, that's why Beyonder has the edge.
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There's no debate concerning whether or not Molecule Man was more powerful than LT.
Molecule Man was more powerful than the LT, and everyone knows this, including yourself.
You've claimed several times that Thanos wins here based on his win over LT,
and acknowledging that Beyonder defeated MM who was beyond/above LT,
puts a damper on the reasoning behind your choice.
Don't force it good friend.
Nah, it's how Shooter (writer/editor in-chief) puts it based on his analogy.
And again,
that one infinite Multiverse was not only ALL of Marvel,
(excluding the Beyond Realm) at the time,
but it was and STILL is,
the only relevant Multiverse in Marvel concerning Cosmic power.
First:
Thanos didn't absorb all of Marvel,
Thanos absorbed all of Space-Time:
Yeah, but THOTI didn't have any trouble at crushing them. PR Beyonder gave some of his power in the cup, so it took some of his power, a lot of his power level. So how can he be infinite, if it took so much power from him.
I don't see anything taking power from THOTI, to decrease it. If he would give some power to the cup or anywhere, to empower something from his own power, he would still be the same infinitely powerful as before, something PR Beyonder wasn't anymore.
the Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally, were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:
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that implies you believe thanos wiped out the omniverse (an opinion i still completely disagree with ) however, even if you accept it as true, imo beyonder could have performed a similar feat were cosmology the same in the 80s. it's like trying to compare the 60s packers teams to modern day teams. so much has changed that a direct comparison is essentially impossible. in this case i think we can look at intentions and it seems beyonder was intended by the big wigs at marvel to truly be their supreme character. no interpretations of the beyonders actions are required, very unlike thanos's actions.
"The Multiverse ...
a collection of Alternate Dimensions with a similar nature and Universal hierarchy.
Earth 616 and alternates seen in the MU
(which include being like the Watcher, Eternity etc) are withIN the SAME Multiverse.
Realms LACKING this hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE of the Multiverse"
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Last edited by Mr Master on Feb 18th, 2008 at 03:08 PM
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i'm not claiming you are showning bias at all -- i'm just saying that given the way things are set up, it's hard for b's feats to compare is all. because of that, i think it is relevent in this particular case, where direct feat comparison is unfair, to consider extraneous information. i'm not trying to sway you one way or the other, i'm just explaining my own rationale and why imo feats aren't necessarily a fair way to go when comparing these characters.
But imo,
if statements regarding a character start getting used, in place of 'solid proof' -- It will more than likely lead to someone saying, "Well Beyonder beats Thanos, cuz Shooter said he was teh Supreme!"
Is it possible that the limit thing is meant as Beyonder limiting himself by giving himself a mortal form and mortal "needs", because Obviously when MM managed to channel the Beyonders Energy back into his own Dimension it was all of his Energy.
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i agree 100% with this. don't forget, i'm of the opinion thanos did NOT absorb the 'omniverse'. so imo b's feats FAR exceed anything thanos ever did with the hoti.
i was looking at it from the pov of someone who DID think thanos absorbed the omniverse. even from that perspective, i can still understand why you'd think beyonder would win.
and galan -- i understand the reluctance to stray from on-panel. but just as we need to use logic at times to decide what is or isn't pis on-panel, we can also use logic at times to decide when on-panel feats are or are not enough.
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Feb 18th, 2008 12:31 PM
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.. Show me where and when Beyonder's power was EVER decreased?
) however, even if you accept it as true, imo beyonder could have performed a similar feat were cosmology the same in the 80s. it's like trying to compare the 60s packers teams to modern day teams. so much has changed that a direct comparison is essentially impossible. in this case i think we can look at intentions and it seems beyonder was intended by the big wigs at marvel to truly be their supreme character. no interpretations of the beyonders actions are required, very unlike thanos's actions. 
