Originally posted by ares834no.
All of those are subjective.
just because it's possible for someone to like something that is by all measures terrible, that doesn't mean you can strip away all it's technical merits.
fecal matter is objectively disgusting; there's no denying that, it's a fact.
There are people in the world who enjoy eating shit.
just because a few people literally like shit, that doesn't mean shit is now a subjective thing.
...but he claimed one was better than the other, which means he thinks some elements are of a higher quality in this show than they are in 'DD'.
i don't really care about your opinion regarding subjectivity/objectivity, i asked the guy who made the assertion to explain why he made it. This has nothing to do with you.
Originally posted by marwash22
that's a cop-out.Im not asking for your opinion on which show you prefer.
You said this show was better than 'DD'; if you meant objectively better, then you should be able to point out elements of the production you think are superior.
there are plenty of aspects of film making that can be put into measurable levels of quality.
acting
writing
story cohesion
lighting
cinematography
sound mixing
choreography
...etc., etc., etc.so name just one thing this show is doing better than 'DD' did.
In my subjective view...all of those. Acting and writing are the big ones though.
Originally posted by marwash22Fecal matter isn't disgusting to dogs and I'm sure there are deviants out there who have fetishes for it. Point is this is opinion based which is subjective.
no.just because it's possible for someone to like something that is by all measures terrible, that doesn't mean you can strip away all it's technical merits.
fecal matter is objectively disgusting; there's no denying that, it's a fact.
There are people in the world who enjoy eating shit.
just because a few people literally like shit, that doesn't mean shit is now a subjective thing.
Originally posted by Bardock42oh ok.
In my subjective view...all of those. Acting and writing are the big ones though.
but if this is based on your preference, you made a mistake in phrasing your original statement in the form of a fact. If you had just said, "this show is much better than that trash DD, imo", i would have just ignored it... but the way you wrote it, i actually thought you had factual points to make about the technical merits of each show.
Originally posted by marwash22
oh ok.but if this is based on your preference, you made a mistake in phrasing your original statement in the form of a fact. If you had just said, "this show is much better than that trash DD, imo", i would have just ignored it... but the way you wrote it, i actually thought you had factual points to make about the technical merits of each show.
Ha, while cute, that's not how people talk. When someone says they think one work of art is better than another it always means that they prefer it. Like everyone after your post pointed out, all the aspects you claim to be objective, are ultimately reduced to subjectivity again. Better is only defined on a scale we have to agree on.
When Digi said "Was good", you didn't say "do you mean in your opinion?"
When Robtard said "Is a decent show so far" you didn't say "what makes it objectively decent?"
When you said "this show isn't that good" you didn't add "In my subjective opinion, which I understand is mine and not objective like we all assume if we don't disclaim it"
So GTFO with your objectivity bullshit, buddy. Daredevil isn't as good as Jessica Jones.
I'm about halfway through so far.
At the end of episode 5, Jessica gets shot in the collar by that psycho couple. After that, we never hear or see anything about it again. Wtf is the deal with that? Did they just randomly give her a healing factor or something?
Cage is the man. Episodes with him in it are automatically at least twice as good as those without. He and Jessica are both awesome characters. Also, Jeri gets an honorable mention. She, with Cage and Jessica are the most compelling and well acted characters in this show.
Hoping for more from Kilgrave. He's acted well, but doesn't seem to have any overall plan or reasoning. He's just a dick who does evil things without reason because lol. So far, Kingpin>>>>>>>Kilgrave, which is disappointing. They could do so much with his powers. He could make Jessica's life so much worse than he has, but he's always off doing some random pointless act of evil.
So far, I prefer Daredevil to this pretty easily. Hoping the second half is better.
Yeah, good point, Moss did a great job in her role. When an actor is well-known, it's hard for me to "forget" it's them as I watch them. But she made me forget who she was, and just believe the character. Probably the best performance on the show, imo, including Tennant and Ritter, both of whom I adore. Guy playing Cage did well too.
Thought this show was pretty excellent.
Much more grounded than other super hero shows, had a very unique tone/atmosphere. I liked how it played out more like a film noir than a traditional super hero narrative.
Also thought it had great supporting character, with the exception of Simpson who seemed kinda pointless.
Killgrave is the best villain that's been in a Marvel movie or TV show. Great combination of charisma and evil. Tennant did a great, great job. Only other one that comes close is Kingpin in Daredevil, imo.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'm about halfway through so far.At the end of episode 5, Jessica gets shot in the collar by that psycho couple. After that, we never hear or see anything about it again. Wtf is the deal with that? Did they just randomly give her a healing factor or something?
Cage is the man. Episodes with him in it are automatically at least twice as good as those without. He and Jessica are both awesome characters. Also, Jeri gets an honorable mention. She, with Cage and Jessica are the most compelling and well acted characters in this show.
Hoping for more from Kilgrave. He's acted well, but doesn't seem to have any overall plan or reasoning. He's just a dick who does evil things without reason because lol. So far, Kingpin>>>>>>>Kilgrave, which is disappointing. They could do so much with his powers. He could make Jessica's life so much worse than he has, but he's always off doing some random pointless act of evil.
So far, I prefer Daredevil to this pretty easily. Hoping the second half is better.
Somewhere they do mention that she heals faster than normal. So, not regen or super-healing, but faster than normal.
Well, Kilgrave is a psycopath. That's what makes him interesting. Instead of trying to take over the world or some other super-villain clichè he's just trying to have a good time, no matter who gets hurt. That's what made him compelling, imo. He is completely unpredictable, because he doesn't have some grand scheme.
Originally posted by Bardock42
When you said "this show isn't that good" you didn't add "In my subjective opinion, which I understand is mine and not objective like we all assume if we don't disclaim it"
difference is, if you ask me to give reasons for why i think this show isn't very good, I'd actually give you answers.
also, I'm not your buddy, guy.
Originally posted by DreampantherI personally found him to be quite lame.
Somewhere they do mention that she heals faster than normal. So, not regen or super-healing, but faster than normal.Well, Kilgrave is a psycopath. That's what makes him interesting. Instead of trying to take over the world or some other super-villain clichè he's just trying to have a good time, no matter who gets hurt. That's what made him compelling, imo. He is completely unpredictable, because he doesn't have some grand scheme.