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Galan007
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Originally posted by leonidas
i agree 100% with this. don't forget, i'm of the opinion thanos did NOT absorb the 'omniverse'. so imo b's feats FAR exceed anything thanos ever did with the hoti.

i was looking at it from the pov of someone who DID think thanos absorbed the omniverse. even from that perspective, i can still understand why you'd think beyonder would win.

and galan -- i understand the reluctance to stray from on-panel. but just as we need to use logic at times to decide what is or isn't pis on-panel, we can also use logic at times to decide when on-panel feats are or are not enough.

s'all's i'm sayin.

Looking at it from your viewpoint, [ie. Thanos absorbing A Universe] -- I would easily see Beyonder winning.

But it's my personal view that Thanos absorbed more -- which is one of the reasons I personally think he takes this.

Not trying to sway the opinion of others -- just expressing my view. smile

By it's also MO that neither of them is 'truly' omnipotent. [which pretty much disagrees with everyone posting in this thread, so meh].

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Originally posted by Galan007

But it's my personal view that Thanos absorbed more --
which is one of the reasons I personally think he takes this.

Thanos did absorb all of Space-Time in Marvel.

But the only significant Reality he absorbed was the infinite prime Multiverse,
cause that's where ALL the uber Cosmic power of Marvel is concentrated in.

Thanos defeated the LT (the rest are inconsequential)

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Beyonder created a Multiverse from scratch,
quintilions of times greater than that infinite Prime Multiverse.

Beyonder made the LT poop in his cosmic pants.

That's why imo, Beyonder's feats were #1.

Yet, I still say stalemate. smile

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Yes really.

Because you say so?

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Originally posted by Mr Master
The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:

I can't believe you actually think it's more impressive to scare someone than what THOTI did.
LT knew he can't do anything with anyone help to Thanos with THOTI.
THOTI did that actually, PR Beyonder didn't. Did PR Beyonder destroy MM? Look what THOTI did. Again, not quite a feat as what THOTI did.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Show us where it's stated that Beyonder wasn't infinite anymore.

PR Beyonder having the power of millions multiverses; 1000000 does not equal infinity

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That's why imo, Beyonder's feats were #1.

Cool.

That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. smile

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Originally posted by Xplosive
Because you say so?

Nah, because Marvel's Editor in-chief says so.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

I can't believe you actually think it's more impressive to scare someone,
than what THOTI did.

Uhh, yea.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

LT knew he can't do anything with anyone help to Thanos with THOTI.

Actually,
if the LT would've known he couldn't do anything, he wouldn't have even tried.

Like in the Beyonder's case, where the LT REALLY WAS AFRAID. (ON PANEL proven)
and didn't dare raise a finger.

You can run around this fact after I posted the proof for you,
but that's your problem dogs.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

THOTI did that actually, PR Beyonder didn't.

THOTI defeated the LT.

Beyonder defeated Molecule Man who was MORE powerful than the LT.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

Did PR Beyonder destroy MM?
Look what THOTI did.

Beyonder didn't want to destroy MM or the Multiverse at the end,
this was revealed later.

He just wanted to go return to the Beyond Realm and be left alone.

Again, did you read any of this,
or are you just debating by grabing info out the air?

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Originally posted by Xplosive

Again, not quite a feat as what THOTI did.

Oh I agree.

Beyonder creating a Multiverse infinitely (quintillions of times) greater,
than the Prime infinite Multiverse is definitely the better feat.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

PR Beyonder having the power of millions multiverses;
1000000 does not equal infinity

Actually, that's Millions of infinite Prime MultiverseS.

So you're right, it does not equal infinity,
but in fact,
it surpasses infinity quintillions of times over.

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Nah, because Marvel's Editor in-chief says so.

Aha, so he said scaring someone is more impressive than crushing him in comics?

And he didn't say PR Beyonder>THOTI.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, that's Millions of infinite Prime MultiverseS.

So you're right, it does not equal infinity,
but in fact,
it surpasses infinity quintillions of times over.

Still, not infinity infinity. In any case, when you have numbers, forget about infinity.

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In any case, when you have numbers, forget about infinity.

True.

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Originally posted by Xplosive

Aha,
so he said scaring someone is more impressive than crushing him in comics?

Aha:

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The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:

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When Uatu gathered the Cosmic Hierarchy (the LT included)

the In-Betweener says about Mephisto,

"Surely this is his day of last resorts ... he is desperate ... AS ARE WE"

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I believe "WE" included the LT yes

(who is there)

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After Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse,
the Hierarchy (including the LT) accepts their fate,

then the MM shows up and they all step aside: (as if salvation arrived)

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LOL!
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Even more EMBARRASSING,

the Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally,
were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:

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"The Mighty of the MULTIVERSE (the LT included) TREMBLE"

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Still, not infinity infinity.
In any case, when you have numbers, forget about infinity.

Nah, you forget about numbers cause its convenient right now.
Acknowledging those numbers puts to rest your argument.

Fact is,

Beyonder's Multiverse was an OCEAN,
and the INFINITE Prime Multiverse was a DROPLET of WATER!!!

Is this so hard to comprehend?

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Fact is,

Beyonder's Multiverse was an OCEAN,
and the INFINITE Prime Multiverse was a DROPLET of WATER!!!

Is this so hard to comprehend?

Lets not exaggerate your idol Mr Master.

Beyonder was never a multiverse, he was the embodiment of a universe outside of the marvel multiverse.

Bio account:

"comprised all of the other-dimensional universe called the Beyond Realm"

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On panel account:

"Beyond time and space.....lies another universe.....The One Who Is All in that other universe.."

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Originally posted by Galan007
By it's also MO that neither of them is 'truly' omnipotent. [which pretty much disagrees with everyone posting in this thread, so meh].

it doesn't disagree with my view at all. smile

(well, except for the whole 'he absorbed the multiverse' part of course. wink

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Aha:

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The LT was afraid of the Beyonder, Desperate in FACT:

....................................................................

When Uatu gathered the Cosmic Hierarchy (the LT included)

the In-Betweener says about Mephisto,

"Surely this is his day of last resorts ... he is desperate ... AS ARE WE"

I believe "WE" included the LT (who is there)

................................................................................................

After Beyonder erased Death from the Multiverse,
the Hierarchy (including the LT) accepts their fate,

then the MM shows up and they all step aside: (as if salvation arrived)

[

LOL!
................................................................................................

Even more EMBARRASSING,

the Living Tribunal and the hierarchy literally,
were quaking in their pants at the thought of what Beyonder would do,
if Eternity failed,
when Eternity actually mustered some courage to attempt an attack:

"The Mighty of the MULTIVERSE (the LT included) TREMBLE"

................................................................................................

Nah, you forget about numbers cause its convenient right now.
Acknowledging those numbers puts to rest your argument.

Fact is,

Beyonder's Multiverse was an OCEAN,
and the INFINITE Prime Multiverse was a DROPLET of WATER!!!

Is this so hard to comprehend?

Can u plz tell me from what marvel age issue the interview is? sad

@Galatic No, the interview with the creator of the character proves hes a multiverse. And marvel multiverse is just called Universe alot to.

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Lets not exaggerate your idol Mr Master.

Unlike you're exaggerations, Mr Master keeps it real.

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Beyonder was never a multiverse,
he was the embodiment of a universe outside of the marvel multiverse.

Bio account:

"comprised all of the other-dimensional universe called the Beyond Realm"

Oh, so NOW Bios have relevance>

But you're dismissing the Bios in WC Phoenix mini Gauntlet thread.

..............................................................................

Anywho, directly from the WRITER/EDITOR in-chief of Marvel,
in his own words:

..............................................................................

Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)

Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.

Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.

Jim Shooter on Beyonder:

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of "our Universe ...

.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

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On panel account:

"Beyond time and space.....lies another universe.....The One Who Is All in that other universe.."

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"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

..............................................................................

Ahh, this is too easy sometimes. smile

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Originally posted by GN.
[B]Can u plz tell me from what marvel age issue the interview is?

@Galatic No, the interview with the creator of the character proves hes a multiverse. And marvel multiverse is just called Universe alot to.

Sorry GN, I been caught up with this person that continues to demean truth,
and hype up fallacies.

Give me one sec, cause I have to find it on my disk.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Unlike you're exaggerations, Mr Master keeps it real.

Oh, so NOW Bios have relevance>

But you're dismissing the Bios in WC Phoenix mini Gauntlet thread.

..............................................................................

Anywho, directly from the WRITER/EDITOR in-chief of Marvel,
in his own words:

..............................................................................

Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)

Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.

Marvel Age is an official Marvel title, created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.

Jim Shooter on Beyonder:

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of "our Universe ...

.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

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"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

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Ahh, this is too easy sometimes.

Nope.

Bios which support on panel accounts are perfectly valid.
Coupled together such evidence is indisputable.

However a bio entry which contradicts whats shown on panel or talks of matters not shown on panel is very mucl fallible.

Learn the difference smile

You have a bio entry and an on panel account and i have the same, both giving conflicting evidence.

Just a few questions, when Beyonder was dispersed at the end of Secret Wars, did his energy go on to become a multiverse or a universe? confused

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Ok. smile

No Secret War spin offs from me. Just scans from the ACTUAL Secret Wars title and from a Pre retcon bio.

That will be all.

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Bios which support on panel accounts are perfectly valid.
Coupled together such evidence is indisputable.

However a bio entry which contradicts whats shown on panel or talks of matters not shown on panel is very mucl fallible.

Learn the difference

Only one difference here between us, Lies, and Truth.

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You have a bio entry and an on panel account and i have the same, both giving conflicting evidence.

Just a few questions, when Beyonder was dispersed at the end of Secret Wars, did his energy go on to become a multiverse or a universe?

No Secret War spin offs from me. Just scans from the ACTUAL Secret Wars title and from a Pre retcon bio.

That will be all.

This isn't a Bio entry, nice try on yet another Lie.

..............................................................................

Anywho, directly from the WRITER/EDITOR in-chief of Marvel,

in his own words:

..............................................................................

Jim Shooter - creator/writer of Secret Wars/Beyonder
(while he was Editor in chief of Marvel)

Get's interviewed ... about the Beyonder.

Marvel Age is an official Marvel title,
created to strictly discuss Marvel stories,
and other intricacies concerning Marvel comics.

Jim Shooter on Beyonder:

Jim states:

1. Beyonder "is a Multi-verse."

2. Beyonder "was like God before there was Genesis."

3. Beyonder's discovery of "our Universe ...

.... was like when inventor Leeuwenhoek, looked through his micro-scope ...

.... and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water ... "

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Furhter supported On Panel:

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"Beyonder, the entity that embodied all the substance of Another Multiverse"

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Putting your words in bold and enlarging both the size of them and your scans does nothing.

I have Secret Wars 2 scans stating my point, i then have an official bio stating it.

Secret Wars 2 starts off by saying Beyonder is a universe outside of the Marvel universe, it ends with Beyonder being reverted to a universe.

As creator and editor of the Beyonder you'd think if he really wanted Beyonder to be a multiverse the idea would have made it to print in the official title laughing

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Putting your words in bold and enlarging both the size of them and your scans does nothing.

I have Secret Wars 2 scans stating my point, i then have an official bio stating it.

Secret Wars 2 starts off by saying Beyonder is a universe outside of the Marvel universe, it ends with Beyonder being reverted to a universe.

As creator and editor of the Beyonder you'd think if he really wanted Beyonder to be a multiverse the idea would have made it to print in the official title

Especially thumb down

to posting the last page of Secret Wars 2. There should be copyright laws against that.

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Marvel is reffered to as universe alot to. While they mean multiverse. Its the same thing.

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Putting your words in bold and enlarging both the size of them and your scans does nothing.

I have Secret Wars 2 scans stating my point, i then have an official bio stating it.

Secret Wars 2 starts off by saying Beyonder is a universe outside of the Marvel universe, it ends with Beyonder being reverted to a universe.

Just like the Marvel Universe "Our Universe" as stated On Panel,
was a Multiverse.

So Beyonder's Universe was a Multiverse as well.

Only infinitely greater/larger/more powerful.

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As we know, "Our Universe" = the infinite Multiverse:

Beyonder exploring said "Our Universe:

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"Odd thing He had noticed about Our Universe"

"Namely,
that it is Many-Layered-composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

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Beyonder passes by the Microverse.
(located in a Universe outside and separate from the 616 Reality)

Beyonder even reaches the Cross Roads of Infinity located in the Negative Zone
(also located Way outside the 616 universe)

The Makers re-created the entire Universe that contains the Microverse,
in fact, they created the Microverse from scratch.

The Negative Zone .. well,
we ALL know it's located outside 616 from the Annihilation Arc.

Don't let the haters fool yall. smile

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Btw. In Marvel, Dimensions are whole Universes:

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Pocket dimensions are not.

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As creator and editor of the Beyonder you'd think if he really wanted Beyonder to be a multiverse the idea would have made it to print in the official title

Beyonder is made up of an INFINITE amount of dimensions.

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You must be laughing at how you're getting owned back to back,
and still somehow you're shamless enough to continue posting.

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Grant Morrisson wanted the Phoenix Corps to be Marvels equivalent of angels, he even stated he wanted them to be a cross between the green lantern Corps and heavens host as stated in the TPB. Just because he created the concepts, does that mean his desires for the characters AFTER the story has made it to print are greater than the actual comic? confused

Greater than the official comic and official bio which state the same thing? confused

MAIN OFFICIAL TITLE AND OFFICIAL BIO>SPIN OFF SECRET WARS ISSUE AND A FANZINE INTERVIEW laughing

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