Strength: *sigh* DD until you show me WC bend bars with ease, twirl 400lbs weights like nothing and flip over limos.
Speed: DD until you show me WC deflect bullets with a baton.
Durability: WC is very tough, Ill give you that. He also seems to have a Punisher like pain tolerance. DD still has taken shots from the likes of Spiderman though.
Skill: She may be touted as superhumanly skilled, but she still lost to WC. :/ Superhumanly skilled is Karate Kid or the Mandarin. Anyway I said WC was good, I was too harsh on him before for sure. DD is a very good boxer too AND he is incredibly good at various other arts. He is far more versatile than WC. Show me WC match any of the insane pressure point and nerve strike feats DD has. I go by on panel feats and not encyclopedias/bios which frequently talk shit.
No DD's senses also mean he can sense incoming attacks.
I know I voted in favor of Hawkman against DD. In a pure one on one fight Hawkman would also take WC. I have seen scans of a MIND CONTROLLED Hawkman fighting WC.
making solomon grundy bleed > any dd strength feat cited
grabbing the flash > any speed feat i've ever heard from dd
how is dd more versatile? dd is a good boxer with ma's. wc is the best boxer to ever have existed with mastery of ma's and more experience to boot. besides tigress is superhumanly skilled and automatically disqualified from the ma rating scale, but she's obviously better than any peak human fighter.
wc has stalemates and 1 win vs batman, has defeated tigress, and has been stated several times to be the best fighter in the world.it's obvious he's a great fighter, not good.
sensing incoming attacks helps with speed/agility rating, like i said.
eh, fine though. agree to disagree.
wildcat FTW
edit:
at least you seem to have a general respect for wildcat, which is all i was aiming for. it's been a pleasure debate with you
.........oh come on you have to be kidding me this is rediculous.
solomon grundy fluxates in powers all the time. One moment he fighting superman....next he getting knocked the **** out in brute forces by batman.
..........pleases every one and there mothers has hit flash........ It not really that impressive, you dont even know hwo fast he was going.......hell has not even robin hit flash before?
what's ridiculous are these half hearted attampts to undermine WC.
if you see the scans you'll see that alan scott said he couldn't hurt him really. that was an extremely powerful version of grundy no doubt.
you're attempt to dismiss his speed feat means nothing.if you don't like that there's always his fight with jay garrick. if you don't believe that there's the fact that he displays the same routine speed feats of all the other peak humans(dodging gunfire, rays, etc)
I aint undermining anything I am stating facts. It a fact grundy power seems to fluxate. It a fact your feats are not nearly as impressive as they sound if you take the characters entire history into acount. also how is that more impressive then DD knocking hyde out? I mean all wildcat did was make him bleed.........batman was able to nock him out...........if anything would that not hurt your arguement?
Not dismissing anything. Hitting flash is somethign every street in DC seems to do. It not mroe imrpessive then hitting anyother speedster. It impressive, but does not in any way make him superior or equal to DD in speed. DD feats are far more plentiful and superior in msot cases. He ahs repeatedly deflected gun firer on numerous occassions.......when has wild cat done this?
how si that more impressive then Koing hyde........Hawkman not even bullet proof if I recall correctly..........and not even overly strong.
I need to see the feat to judge properly, but it seems no more impressive then any other dc street who has hit flash.
on average I say so. DD on average show far greater reflexes. If you compare the two DD simply has more impressive shows and far more common showings then wildcats
You do realize your the one that putt out the high end feat right? I have not said a single feat at all................so your kinda condricting your suposes sensiblity..........
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