To go back to an earlier point in the thread, when has thing broke a quasar construct?
And has anyone ever seen anything on panel to suggest he struuggles with magic?
During the Serpent Crown affair. Quasar was working for Project Pegasus. He was controlled by the Serpent Crown. He held thing up in Quantum cuffs. Thing smashed them.
Plus when Quasar was applying for Avengers membership after the Atlantis Attacks affair, he admitted to Captain America that "they (his constructs) were pretty sturdy, having take repeated blows from the Thing. But I doubt he was going all out."
He dies vs magic. Mordrid put the Crimson Bands of Cytorrak on his ass and he was about to bite it till Captain Britain saved him. This was in a Quasar issue. There are more examples but I'm busy.
Plus he's powerless vs exotic energy : darkforce, anything outside the electromagnetic spectrum, and alien energies like the Cube that Dr. Spectrum uses.
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Quasar also had no control over the energies of the cosmic rod energies used by annihilus... I guess being from the negative zone...
But are we making an argument that wonder womans attaks are magical in nature? I mean i know her physical powers are based upon magic but her attacks unless you include the lasso arent really magical... Are they? I mean shazams punchs arent magical.. The lightning sure...
And pure brick vs hia constructs quasar i dont see having too much of an issue... In a forum battle which goes off best showings...
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But being contained by magic is totally different to not being able to efefct magical beings with his powers or them being able to destroy his constructs.
The axe, sword arrows and shield that wonder woman uses... Are they magical? I mean honestly i dont know if they hold anybspecial properties other than being durable?
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
He CANNOT affect anything outside the electromagnetic spectrum. See my earlier scan in this thread. Half-life was beyond Quasar because her powers were based on the Weak Force. Since they fell outside the EM Spectrum, PIS had to be invoked and he used her boots to bind her hands.
She was shattering his constructs and there was nothing he could do about it. If he got within arms reach of her, she'd kill him instantly. Quantum aura or no.
The Bands are great for what they do : Total control over the EM Spectrum. But outside of that, they have serious issues.
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Maybe quanchi has some sort of deadman's trigger implanted in his skull? Like if he considers even for a moment that WW might not be as weak, it'll wrack his body with pain, so he has to say what he does even with no backing?
Because he's literally resorting to "because I want it to" as the reasons for his arguments.
Yes, many Amazon weapons are 'godforged,' as she notes at one point, and can cut quite a bit better than normal.
That's the axe used to cut off Medusa's head and kill Ares.
So they are considered to be enchanted? I mean even hercules mace is adamantite... Which is a mystical metal but thats doesnt have magical properties...
Wolverines claws cut a bunch of stuff but tey arent magical...
I mean does the axe etc exhibit any special properyies..ither than durability... The fact that an axe... Cuts doesnt mean it is displaying any magical properties... when the person wielding it can lift 100 tons or more...
Like did it cut off that medusas head with any force being exerted by ww?
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Because the art didn't show it or was it even implied. Do you feel his punch was shown as dramatically amped and that he isn't capable of this strength all out ?
The art most certainly showed he was close to the sun.
And the difference in amping isn't huge unless he spends more time than that or actively dips, he should only be incrementally stronger anyway.
Look, a bunch of people think you have no argument on WW related topics in general. Perhaps you should take that as a sign to re-think your positions?
They might be like Adamantite now that you mention it, especially the arrows. It's not really specifically outlined, but I've also seen stuff like random amazons who's spear heads are on fire with they stab people.
Though the axe's ability to break Ares's helmet makes me think it's something special, what with her keep using it as a weapon of choice against tough foes (Aside from Ares and Medusa, it was also a weapon of choice against Genocide and Rao).
Her sword and tiara do definitely have specific enchantments (cutting powers).
I don't feel he was portrayed as having an amp I mean it's not like he did anything to suggest he was amped. I mean he wrecked Ds's face with an amped punch whereas WW's face was fine compared to Ds's.
Looking at the scan you posted it is apparant that its because her powers specifically decay things on an atomic scale that shesbreaks his constructs, not the source.
"her atomic decay powers broke the bonds of my matter/energy construct"
I'd still like to see evidence that ben has broken his constructs? And that would still be a low showing for Quasar.
But it's a standard facet of Superman's abilities. And you're choosing to ignore it... just, because.
Just like most of your arguments against WW. Just... because. Nothing to prove your points when you're the one trying to prove that it's an exception from the norm, it's not happening purely because you're asking us to take your word for it. The burden of proof's on you and you bring nothing.
Just, because.
Let's assume for a second that we're not going to bend the rules of evidence on your say-so, shall we? So no, he was amped, we aren't going to ignore that, and you don't get to play it off by asking just because.
Maybe? I don't remember the DS scene too well, honestly.
Yes and read on, she uses the Weak Force, something beyond his limited power to affect. He has ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, etc...control over energies not in the electromagnetic spectrum.
Darkstar's Darkforce powers have penetrated his Quantum constructs. Dr Spectrum has penetrated his Quantum constructs. They did so because he has no control over a) Darkforce or b) Whatever energy Dr. Spectrum uses. I can get you those issue numbers too.
I can post the issue of Thor where Quasar admits to being "useless vs magic" it's on panel and stated by the character himself.
I'll post the issue numbers when I get home. Both the one for Thing smashing his constructs and Quasar admitting to Cap that the Thing wasn't even "going all out".
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