not to nitpick, but both of those events you cited (serpent crown and atlantis attacks) were VERY early quasar. Atlantis Attacks was 1989- the same year Quasar got his own series. Serpent Crown was even earlier than THAT. It's pretty obvious that he has better control over his constructs by now. Should we start listing wonder woman's limitations from her first issues as evidence of what she can do?
The scan that's been repeatedly posted (with quasar holding off hulk, she hulk, thing, thor, hercules) specifically takes place AFTER infinity gauntlet. Infinity gauntlet was YEARS after both atlantis attacks and the serpent crown saga.
Later showings trump earlier ones, unless quasar was specifically powered down. this hasn't happened.
really? because I have a pretty fun scan of Quasar draining "a star's worth" of power cosmic energy from the silver surfer during combat, and I'm 100% positive "power cosmic" doesn't fall along the EM spectrum.
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Those team members? Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Ronan the Accuser, Major Victory, Gladiator, Nova, and Namorita, and does so without their permission or knowledge. Nearly all of these are fueled by energy not within the EM spectrum, and one (beta ray) is explicitly fueled by a magical power source (Stormbreaker). Assuming this scan isn't bizarrely out of character, this is pretty definitive proof Quasar can drain non-EM energy, and a strong argument he should be able to drain wonder woman specifically.
I'll have to look into it but I had the whole Quasar series. These weren't the only times his energy constucts have been taken down by physical force.
Actually I'm pretty sure it is. It's been repeated countless times by Quasar himself, he has ZERO control over energy not in the electromagnetic spectrum. See my Half Life /Quasar scan.
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no one said his energy constructs haven't been taken down by physical force. It's pretty easy to come up with scans where LANTERN constructs have been taken out by sufficient physical force. What I'm pointing out is that quasar's control over his constructs improved over time.
You cited two examples of quasar having problems with the Thing VERY early in his career (BEFORE his series, as I pointed out) and I pointed out that a scan of quasar holding off far, far more physical damage than thing is capable of came long AFTER that scan. There's a lot more evidence of vaughn improving in his powers- it used to take him years to traverse the solar system before he mastered Q-zone jumping. It's common sense man.
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that's clearly quasar draining Power cosmic, and explicitly using it as a power source. and that's the SECOND time I've posted a scan of him doing it. Unless you want to argue that Power cosmic is somehow EM energy (and good luck there) your argument is void. PC is the very definition of "Exotic energy".
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Fine. I haven't read much of Quasar since his series ended.
Wrong. Then why has he REPEATEDLY mentioned that his bands have no control over energy outside the EM spectrum (confirmed by Maelstrom when he had them too)? Darkstar has penetrated his constructs, he even said he made his shield as "dense as he could and they still got through", Dr. Spectrum has done it. Half Life using the Weak Force has done it. He said himself that he has no control over these energies because they fall outside the EM spectrum. Thus we can safely conclude that the power cosmic falls within the EM spectrum or else Quasar couldn't drain it.
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Here's the Quasar/Darkstar fight that took place AFTER the Surfer/Quasar fight :
The EM spectrum is already clearly defined. there's no "power cosmic" anywhere on it. Sorry, chief. when the PC is used from everything from merging living things with surfer's board to traveling through time, the argument that it's EM energy is pretty much null and void.
We also know the quantum bands can protect against psychic attacks. Is psionic energy on the EM spectrum too?
Obviously not. PC and Psi energy are fictional, with fictional properties not found on the EM spectrum. The only thing the events with Darkstar and Dr. Spectrum prove is that Vaughn's abilities either does not apply to them specifically, OR his control over his abilities was inferior to their control over their powers.
edit: Here's quasar absorbing energy from the god damn phoenix and using it on modred the mystic. note that his quantum bands work just fine at restraining modred before the effort of holding off phoenix weakens them.
Wrong. I can post scans all day showing Quasar say he has no control of energy outside the EM spectrum. I assumed this was common knowledge and I can't even believe it's up to debate.
PS when was it shown he has any sort of defense vs psionics?
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Your trying to imply that she can easily break the constructs because of the nature of her powers when it wa the power itself that was breaking them down.
Thor >> Wonderwoman. And he can just reform another shield if it breaks with no gap. His energy is unlimited.
I did. He states he cant manipulate the weak force. I agree with you.
Hitting her with or containing her with a construct is not manipulating the weakforce. The reason the construct doesnt work is because her power is to break things down on a molecular level. That is evident. Maybe you should read the whole scan or stop just seeing what you want to see.
He strained to stop that casual hammer throw from Thor. What's he gonna do vs an angry Diana?
So what the hell are you arguing?
By USING the Weak Force which the Quantum bands have NO control over. He couldn't shut down or siphon her power because they were outside the EM spectrum.
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Here's a scan of Quasar (again, these scans are pretty damn old) Deflecting mjolnir with a HASTILY ERECTED shield, THEN encasing mjolnir inside a force shield.
You'd be hard pressed to find a more powerful magical artifact than mjolnir in the MU, so clearly, Vaughn's weakness against magic isn't absolute.
you missed the point of the scan. First, Vaughn's bands are restraining modred the mystic. If his powers didn't work on magic, modred wouldn't have been restrained in the first place. they were only broken when quasar's focus/powers weakened.
SECOND, Quasar is clearly draining and redirecting phoenix force energy. It may not be magic, but it's at MINIMUM an assload of psionic power (since rachel is a tp/tk) and at worst abstract force. It has nothing to do with EM energy, and yet vaughn is shielding himself from it and controlling it.
Quasar can control non EM energy. deal with it.
Now, I'm not claiming Quasar has no magical weakness whatsoever. that would be stupid, since it's been stated elsewhere. but clearly it's not an "instant win" for a magical opponent. Offensively his powers WILL work against magical items and opponents, and defensively his constructs will hold up to a point. they're just less effective.
Since it's been shown in this thread that quasar can hold off mjolnir not once but at least twice versus thor, he's not going to have any issues with wonder woman's items.
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The EM spectrum is already clearly defined. there's no "power cosmic" anywhere on it. Sorry, chief. when the PC is used from everything from merging living things with surfer's board to traveling through time, the argument that it's EM energy is pretty much null and void. 
