Originally posted by NuclearWinter
lol. Some scientists actually believe different Jaden. Many other people theorize that the Poles of the Earth have moved much farther in a much much shorter period of time.
Which scientists and which studies?...please provide evidence.
The most comprehensive studies into the so called "pole shift hypothesis" were carried out by Adam Maloof and Galen Halverson stated a shift of around 50 degrees in 20 million years.
In 1852, mathematician Joseph Adhemar suggested that the accumulation of thick ice at the poles periodically caused the Earth to flip and the equator to move to where the poles were.
An early mention of a shifting of the Earth's axis can be found in an 1872 article entitled "Chronologie historique des Mexicains" by Charles Étienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, an eccentric expert on Mesoamerican codices who interpreted ancient Mexican myths as evidence for four periods of global cataclysms that had begun around 10,500 B.C.
The novel Geyserland: Empiricisms in Social Reform. Being Data and Observations Recorded by the Late Mark Stubble, M.D., Ph.D. (1908) by Richard Hatfield used the device of a fictional study to locate a blissful nation of pure Communism at the North Pole on the island of Atlantis. This fictional Utopia was destroyed by a pole shift set in 9262 B.C.
Hugh Auchincloss Brown, an electrical engineer, advanced a hypothesis of catastrophic pole shift influenced by Adhemar's earlier model. Brown also argued that accumulation of ice at the poles caused recurring tipping of the axis. identifying cycles of approximately 7 millennia.
Charles Hapgood is now perhaps the best remembered early proponent, from in his books The Earth's Shifting Crust (1958) (which includes a foreword by Albert Einstein who was writing before the theory of plate tectonics was developed) and Path of the Pole (1970). Hapgood, building on Adhemar's much earlier model, speculated that the ice mass at one or both poles over-accumulates and destabilizes the Earth's rotational balance, causing slippage of all or much of Earth's outer crust around the Earth's core, which retains its axial orientation. Based on his own research, he argued that each shift took approximately five thousand years, followed by 20 to 30 thousand year periods with no polar movements. Also, in his calculations, the area of movement never covered more than 40 degrees. His examples of recent locations for the North Pole include Hudson Bay (60˚N, 73˚W) , the Atlantic Ocean between Iceland and Norway (72˚N, 10˚E) and the Yukon Territory (63˚N, 135˚W).
This is an example of slow pole shift motion, which displays the most minor alterations and no destruction. A more dramatic view assumes more rapid changes, with dramatic alterations of geography and localized areas of destruction due to earthquakes and tsunamis. Several recent books propose changes that take place in weeks, days, or even hours, resulting in a variety of doomsday scenarios.
Regardless of speed, the results of a shift occurring results in major climate changes for most of the Earth's surface, as areas that were formerly equatorial become temperate, and areas that were temperate become either more equatorial or more arctic.
Hapgood wrote to Canadian librarian, Rand Flem-Ath, encouraging him in his pursuit of scientific evidence to back Hapgood's claim and in his expansion of the hypothesis. Flem-Ath published the results of this work in 1995 in When the Sky Fell co-written with his wife, Rose.
Other theories which are not dependent upon polar ice masses include those involving:
* a high-velocity asteroid or comet which hits Earth at such an angle that the lithosphere moves independent of the mantle
* a high-velocity asteroid or comet which hits Earth at such an angle that the entire planet shifts axis.
* an unusually magnetic celestial object which passes close enough to Earth to temporarily reorient the magnetic field, which then "drags" the lithosphere about a new axis of rotation. Eventually, the sun's magnetic field again determines the Earth's, after the intruding celestial object "returns" to a location from which it cannot influence Earth.
* perturbations of the topography of the core-mantle boundary, perhaps induced by differential core rotation and shift of its axial rotation vector, leading to CMB mass redistributions. See, e.g., Bowin.
* mass redistributions in the mantle from mantle avalanches or other deformations. See, e.g., Ladbury, and Steinberger and O'Connell.
Much work on this subject has been done by William Hutton and can be found at The Hutton Commentaries website. William Hutton and Jonathan Eagle in 2004 published Earth's Catastrophic Past and Future, which summarizes and extends their earlier work on possible mechanisms and timing of a future pole shift.
In fact, geophysicists have known for over half a century that the solid, elastic part of a planet can move rapidly with respect to its spin axis through a process known as "true polar wander." True polar wander, Kirschvink explains, is not the same as the more familiar plate motion that is responsible for earthquakes and volcanism. While the latter is driven by heat convection in Earth's mantle, true polar wander is caused by an imbalance in the mass distribution of the planet itself, which the laws of physics force to equalize in comparatively rapid time scales.
During this redistribution, the entire solid part of the planet moves together, avoiding the internal shearing effects which impose the speed limit on conventional plate motions. (While his happens, of course, the entire Earth maintains the original spin axis in relation to plane of the solar system.) Thus, true polar wander can result in land masses moving at rates hundreds of times faster than tectonic motion caused by convection.
I'm not going to argue this with you any further Jaden. The fact is that scientist or not, there are multiple theories floating around out there about the timing of the last Pole-Shift, the speed of the last Pole-Shift, the effects of the last Pole-Shift, etc.
As much as you may wish to paint the Pole-Shift into a single classification of specifications, you will not be successful. Human beings rarely think exactly alike. There will always be differences between one person and another, and likewise this accounts for the many different ideas and theories that spring up around the subject of the Pole-Shift.
point 1: Accumulation of ice at the poles...Is that what is happening currently or is it the opposite?
point 2: A FICTIONAL NOVEL?...Are you actually serious? Do you actually consider this as evidence?
point 3: 7 millenia?...7 thousand years?...Are you actually serious?.
Do i even need to go any further...yes there are theories about how it could happen...but they never have happened in the earth's 4.54 billion year history. Even the biggest asteroid collision in the time life has existed didn't budge the lithosphere.
Polar wander isn't the same as pole shift so why are you even bringing it up?
I've given the only actual scientifically conducted study into the theory and given it's findings.
If your not here to argue your points then why bother posting here at all? At least be ready to defend your position.
lol. You obviously haven't read the Pole-Shift section of this thread. I already argued all my points, and I have already given the reasons why I believe we ALL will soon experience a rapid moving Pole-Shift.
And no, not all my evidence is based upon science. Much of it is based upon prophecy, etc. Something that you probably don't put much faith into.
People who read this thread are probably going to fall into two camps. One, that the Poles of the Earth are soon going to Shift, and that this is going to cause rapid, dramatic changes for our planet, and that the whole World will not be the same afterwards. And two, that all of this is rubbish, that there is not going to be a rapid Pole-Shift within the next few years and that this thread was pointless.
I don't care which category people fall into. I let them decide for themselves. All I can say is what I believe, and that is that we are going to experience a catastrophic Pole-Shift sometime within the next 4 years (but no later than December 21st, 2012).
Originally posted by NuclearWinter
lol. You obviously haven't read the Pole-Shift section of this thread. I already argued all my points, and I have already given the reasons why I believe we ALL will soon experience a rapid moving Pole-Shift.And no, not all my evidence is based upon science. Much of it is based upon prophecy, etc. Something that you probably don't put much faith into.
People who read this thread are probably going to fall into two camps. One, that the Poles of the Earth are soon going to Shift, and that this is going to cause rapid, dramatic changes for our planet, and that the whole World will not be the same afterwards. And two, that all of this is rubbish, that there is not going to be a rapid Pole-Shift within the next few years and that this thread was pointless.
I don't care which category people fall into. I let them decide for themselves. All I can say is what I believe, and that is that we are going to experience a catastrophic Pole-Shift sometime within the next 4 years (but no later than December 21st, 2012).
You're right...I don't put much faith in prophecy. But you clearly don't let people decide for themselves because you immediately try and shout down anyone who disagrees with you.
2012 may bring the “perfect storm” – solar flares, systems collapse
April 1, 11:53 AM
Long scorned as “mysticism” and “parascience,” concern about the year 2012 has now surfaced in a mainstream NASA report on the potential impacts on human society of solar flares anticipated to peak in 2012. The Obama administration and other national governments are not aggressively focused on contingency preparations for the 2012 solar flare impacts, or on introducing available anti-gravitic, new energy sources that would transform centralized high-power electrical grid systems into de-centralized, anti-gravitic and quantum process energy sources. These new energy sources are less vulnerable to destructive solar storms, have no negative environmental impact, and could unleash unprecedented economic and social transformation.
Electrical grids & anticipated solar flares of 2012
Mainstream scientific concern about 2012 has grown since a recent National Research Council report funded by NASA and issued by the National Academy of Sciences, entitled “Severe Space Weather Events: Understanding Economic and Societal Impact” which details the potential devastation of 2012 solar storms on the current planetary energy grid and because of the inter-linkages of a cybernetic society, on our entire human civilization.
According to New Scientist, science’s concern is a repetition of the 8-day 1859 “Carrington event,” a large solar flare accompanied by a coronal mass ejection (CME) that flung billions of tons of solar plasma onto the earth’s magnetosphere and disrupted Victorian-era magnetometers and the world telegraph system.
The New Scientist states, “The report outlines the worst case scenario for the US. The ‘perfect storm’ is most likely on a spring or autumn night in a year of heightened solar activity - something like 2012. Around the equinoxes, the orientation of the Earth's field to the sun makes us particularly vulnerable to a plasma strike.”
The next solar maximum is expected to occur in 2012. New Scientist reports that Mike Hapgood, head of the European Space Agency's space weather team states, "We're in the equivalent of an idyllic summer's day. The sun is quiet and benign, the quietest it has been for 100 years," "but it could turn the other way."
The modern electrical high-power grid magnifies the impact of solar flares. Since the grid is linked into major aspects of modern society, the effects of another Carrington event would be devastating. The National Academy of Sciences report states: “A severe space weather event in the US could induce ground currents that would knock out 300 key transformers within about 90 seconds, cutting off the power for more than 130 million people.” The New Scientist states: “According to the NAS report, the impact of what it terms a "severe geomagnetic storm scenario" could be as high as $2 trillion. And that's just the first year after the storm. The NAS puts the recovery time at four to 10 years. It is questionable whether the US would ever bounce back.”
China, which is installing a high-power electrical grid more vulnerable than that of the U.S., Europe and other developed nations will be similarly impacted.
The solar coronal mass ejection from the 1859 Carrington event arrived on earth in less than 15 minutes, which is faster that our early warning system NASA's Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) can detect.
European Space Agency space weather head Mike Hapgood states, "I don't think the NAS report is scaremongering. “Scientists are conservative by nature and this group is really thoughtful," he says. "This is a fair and balanced report."
More perfect storm: the hole in the earth’s magnetic field
According to a December 16, 2008 report, NASA’s THEMIS spacecraft has discovered a hole in earth’s magnetic field which is 10 times as large as previously thought. The magnetosphere, which is designed to protect earth from the plasma of solar flares, now has a hole in it four time the size of the earth.
According to the NASA report, “Northern IMF events don't actually trigger geomagnetic storms but they do set the stage for storms by loading the magnetosphere with plasma. A loaded magnetosphere is primed for auroras, power outages, and other disturbances that can result when, say, a CME (coronal mass ejection) hits.”
The solar maximum is expected in 2012. University of New Hampshire scientist Jimmy Raeder states, “"We're entering Solar Cycle 24. For reasons not fully understood, CMEs in even-numbered solar cycles (like 24) tend to hit Earth with a leading edge that is magnetized north. Such a CME should open a breach and load the magnetosphere with plasma just before the storm gets underway. It's the perfect sequence for a really big event."
The Obama administration, 2012 and new energy
The Obama administration and most modern governmental energy departments in the 192 U.N. member nations have focused on reducing dependence on conventional energy grids (petroleum, coal or nuclear power) by introducing renewable energy sources such as wind, geo-thermal, and tidal power. These alternative sources are thought to supply about 10% of current energy needs. For example, the Obama policy with regard to the electrical energy grid is stated its official energy and the environment agenda on the White House website:
“Ensure 10 percent of our electricity comes from renewable sources by 2012, and 25 percent by 2025.”
This policy, which replicates energy grid policy in many advanced industrialized nations, is not adequate for the challenges of 2012 solar flares. The policy does not promote new fuel-less non-polluting energy sources now sequestered in secret, national security and black budget projects, and which have been developed using U.S. tax-payer funds. These included reported anti-gravitic technology and free energy technologies, based on Tesla technology.
So here is a key question: Is human society being set up to fail and suffer an effective systems collapse with great loss of life and property if 2012 solar flares materialize in the worst case scenario?
Image of areas of North America affected by 2012 solar flares:
Here is a link to a new scientist article about the Solar Flares:
Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe - space - 23 March 2009 - New Scientist
Here is a link to a Nasa article on the current giant breach in the Earth's magnetic field:
Electrical power grid to be blasted by 2012 solar storms
A report issued by the National Research Council (NRC) in January 2009 has warned of the far reaching consequences of a solar storm hitting the Earth as the sun becomes more active during solar cycle 24 which began in 2008 and peaks around 2012. A March 23 article in the New Scientist discussed the significance of the NRC report which details how a solar storm could wipe out the electrical power grid causing massive disruption in the U.S. and around the planet. The impact of the plasma energy directly bombarding the Earth during a solar storm could lead to electrical power stations being off line for weeks and months at a time, as overworked workers try to repair badly damaged electrical equipment. According to the NRC report, this would lead to “disruption of the transportation, communication, banking, and finance systems, and government services; the breakdown of the distribution of potable water owing to pump failure; and the loss of perishable foods and medications because of lack of refrigeration.” Imagine life without running water from a tap, no refrigeration for storing food, gas for your car, or mass transit due to the power grid being off line for months. Millions of Americans could subsequently die in such a scenario described by Michael Brooks author of the New Scientist article, “Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe.” Such disturbing scenarios are very possible according to the National Research Council report. Now is the right time for bold action to replace the outdated electrical power grid with a decentralized form of fuelless or 'new energy' generators that can be mass produced for homes, small businesses and essential services.
A workshop was convened on May 22-23, 2008 by the Committee on the Societal and Economic Impacts of Severe Space Weather to “consider both direct and collateral effects of severe space weather events, the current state of the space weather services infrastructure in the United States, the needs of users of space weather data and services, and the ramifications of future technological developments for contemporary society's vulnerability to space weather.” The panel of scientists that met and issued a report warning about the impact of a severe solar storm hitting the Earth based their findings on data concerning the sun becoming more active around 2012. At the time of their meeting, they did not consider what was later revealed by NASA on December 16, 2008 to be a giant hole in the Earth’s magnetosphere that will last the entire 11 year duration of cycle 24. What this means is that the low possibility discussed by the May 2008 panel for solar storms impacting the Earth, is in fact much more likely to occur around 2012 as the sun become increasingly active. Indeed, the increased possibility of solar storms directly impacting the Earth due to the magnetosphere breach will last for the next ten years.
There are prophecies and oracles from around the world that all seem to point to December 21, 2012 as doomsday. The ancient Mayan Calendar, the medieval predictions of Merlin, the Book of Revelation and the Chinese oracle of the I Ching all point to this specific date as the end of civilization. A new technology called "The Web-Bot Project" makes massive scans of the internet as a means of forecasting the future... and has turned up the same dreaded date: 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZtMwIPb4c&feature=related (1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7iDb1_GcZc&feature=related (2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rCcuEUTwzI&feature=related (3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCWt4HGzKkQ&feature=related (4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqjpub-gqNo&feature=related (5)
A rare storm that creates massive walls of wind up to 130 miles per hour rolls through the South:
Originally posted by jaden101
They've also happened before 1998 and in just a common spate...Mostly due to El Nino (Wonder why we never hear as much about that anymore?)
We don't hear about it anymore because it runs in a cycle...not necessarily a specific cycle either. There are groups who are trying to map the oscillations in the Pacific to predict El Nino.
The only way I see a Global War would be when Nibiru crosses Earth and destroys the Planets continents and shifts the poles. Then Global supplies will run out and billions will strave prompting World War 3 , the battle for resources and the Battle against Extraterrestrials , The Nephillin ( The Giant Gods of Old).
2012 , 2012 , 2012 , 2012, 2012, 2012.
World war three is inevitable ,Humans,animals and opposing forces cant help it,fighting is everywhere weather we like it or not .
China ,England,USA , Russia,Iran are almost definatly going to be involved when it arrives.
USA cant stop playing world police so its pretty much obvious we're jumping in .
Europe is on the main land so yeah another obvious canidate.
China is the country with the highest population as well as economy so theyre coming in on a random side (probably theyre biggest customers)
Russia has the largest area so theyre ganna want to defend their land
And since those are the major superpowers in the world it will be impossible to stay out of their way .
btw Jaden , WTH is with your avatar? its like a terrorist wearing a clay mask.