How is that not a glancing blow? Wolverine slashes at Thor, Thor rolls his head with the momentum of the attack and only takes three nicks across his check. Glancing blow. Its not rocket science.
I'm not ignore shit. You are just getting butt hurt that you don't have a leg to stand on. Wolverine's tagged Speed Demon and Northstar.
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Wolverine not dealing impressive damage =/= glancing blow
He slashed Thor across the face, not holding back nor did he warn Thor of what was about to happen. There was nothing "glancing" about it. Thor's durability is that tough. Thor said as much himself. Again, this is you getting upset because Logan didn't didn't WTFPWN Thor's face. No one's butt hurt here.
Because Wolverine's claws clearly smash into his face, hard.
Or Thor's head gets driven back, like what's indicated.
Right, 'only takes three nicks', this goes back to you discrediting it just because his head isn't removed. This is like saying the hammer hit Thor hit Wolverine with was only a glancing blow because Wolverine wasn't dead. Or the throw was only a whip toss because Wolverine wasn't in the next continent.
Why don't we just ignore the whole comic and go by something else, because everything was a glancing blow/holding back?
You are. You're calling it a glancing blow just because of 'other' examples. That's the definition of ignoring last I checked. Speaking of butt hurt, discrediting a blow just because it didn't tear a face off seems like a solid case of butt hurt.
You ever think Thor is more durable to piercing damage, like what's flat out stated in the comic?
Silver Surfer>both of them. Especially when he's using his speed.
And - what - Wolverine's "intent" means that Thor decided to eat the blow head on without trying to evade it?
I'm not twisting anything. There is no indication that Wolverine landed anything other than glancing blows on Thor, with the possible exception of his stomach wound which may have be puncture wounds. Obviously, you want it to be a direct hit, because you are desperate to make a case for Thor having a shot at this fight, but there is no indication that it was. In fact unless you think Wolverine is throwing punches that would make Thor's head recoil on impact it pretty clear as f@cking day the Odinson was rolling with the attack.
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Not twisting anything? You've been twisting Thor's godhood and trying to argue that "Logan is just as much of a god as Thor is" - one of the most laughable concepts I've heard of - since the beginning of the thread, to say nothing of ignoring the feats in the comic which don't support your argument and playing up the ones that do. There is no "pick and choose" when it comes to using a specific issue/arc for evidence. It was a direct slash, Srank. It just didn't do enough damage for Thor to be reeling in pain, half-dead.
Sorry if that comic didn't show anything remotely close of Logan taking the high end majority against Thor one on one, hammer or not. But that's how it is. And trying to project feats such as "Well, Wolvie slashed people with Thor level durability and beyond means he can lop off Thor's limbs with a single swipe" is a tactic of sheer desperation and one unfounded by the same comic the two engaged one another. He didn't phuck up Thor because Marvel wouldn't let it.
He didn't phuck up Thor because he flat out can't.
Nothing on panel suggests he was able to land more than a glancing blow, and alternative examples of Wolverine's claws on opponents of similar or in some cases greater durability don't support it being a direct hit. Do the math. Would you like my help?
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Aside from taking offense with general concept that Thor isn't a god, were you able to find any fault with what I was saying on the topic or offer and counter points? Yeah, I didn't think so.
The fact of the mater is there is no indication that Wolverine landed a direct blow on Thor in that fight. None. The intent behind the actions is completely irrelevant, unless Thor's intent was also to eat a claw swipe to the face, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't. It's pretty clear that was a glancing blow. Wolverine isn't strong enough to hit Thor with enough force that Thor would forcibly recoil from the attack. Thor is obviously rolling with the blow. You think Wolverine was landing direct, full on blows? Well... you are delusional. Congratulations I guess, I hope you find solace in your ignorance. There was no indication that Wolverine was landing anything other than glancing blows on Thor in that encounter.
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Look, I didn't have problems with you saying Wolverine won a high majority, so I don't feel like you need to imply some sort of bias (funny coming from you), what I have a problem with, is something that goes against what is portrayed plain as day in a comic.
Nothing on panel... if you ignore the panels and go directly to other examples to people that may or may not have more durability than Thor, and who may or may not have more piercing resistance than Thor. Aren't you a strong supporter of piercing resistance =/= durability, and vice versa? So why ignore the on panel statements of Thor's piercing resistance?
Because those blows landed hard from my angle. That's the problem. I'm not going to just jump aboard the Wolverine train of glancing blows just because he didn't decapitate him (which in a nutshell, is your point).
Anyway... why do you think Wolverine would be fast enough to land significant blows here, if you believe he was only fast enough to land glancing blows against Thor who he thought was Sabertooth, and therefore... going all out?
Besides the fact that Thor is regarded as a god according to Marvel and Logan sure as hell isn't? It's basically another attempt to bring Thor down to Logan's level, or bring Logan up to his. I don't really care, but I'm far from the only person who read that and asked "WTF?" Seriously, you like Wolverine. Cool. More power to you. But don't try to pretend you're doing anything but spewing some out there nonsense about Logan and Thor being equal in "godhood".
The fact of the matter is that Logan was able to slash Thor numerous times, one of those slashes being a direct hit. The problem here is you're unable to accept that it was a direct blow because it didn't result in Thor being damaged in the way you want him to. That's basically the issue here. And you trying to project durability feats on Thor based on what Logan has slashed is evidence enough in my mind that you're dead set on ignoring what you don't like. I'm not delusional here, my friend, nor I am ignorant of what this comic showed us. I'm sorry Logan can't beat a gimped, handicapped Thor for the majority here. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
I like how logan is a master fighter but cant directly hit an unsuspecting enemy who made 0 attempts to move or guard himself with anything more than a "Glancing blow"
Except it doesn't go against what was portrayed in the comic. There is nothing on panel suggests those where anything more than glancing blows. If you read the comic again and in every panel where Wolverine hits Thor you imagine that it is Frank Castle drawn in place of Thor in the exact same panel layout, does the comic suddenly not work? If that was Frank Castle, would you say: "Oh, boy that should have cut off his head... I guess Punisher is durable enough to take Wolverine's claws"? No, I think you would think "Oh Punisher managed to avoid most of that attack but not entirely all of it" The Wolverine vs Thor fight was the same as virtually every other fight Wolverine has a with a hero, where unless they have a healing factor all he is permitted to land his glancing blows. But... for some reason this is the one instance that is different? Get the f@ck out of here buddy. There is nothing on panel that suggests Wolverine managed to land anything other than a glancing blow.
It's a glancing blow, Thor is rolling his head with the momentum of the attack. Wolverine isn't strong enough to hit Thor with enough force to cause Thor's head to recoil.
If Wolverine landed anything other than glancing blows on Thor, he would kill him, or at the very least **** him up. Its the same reason Wolverine doesn't land anything other than glancing blows on DD/Punisher/Cap/Spidy with his claws. If he did, they would be ****ed up, so he can't do it. But Wolverine doesn't have the same force limitations on KMC as he does on panel in hero fights. Does anyone here think Frank Castle can go into melee with Wolverine and not get carved up? Thor's durability didn't stop those claws, his copyright did. He is an intellectual property that Marvel has a vested interest in, just like all their character. Wolverine landing a glancing blow on Thor is no different from him landing a glancing blow on Daredevil. They aren't going to let Wolverine kill Thor, and that is exactly what would happen if Wolverine landed a direct blow on his face.
Also, he was mind-controlled, mind-controlled fighters are never going "all out."
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