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The hobbit set up LOTR, and the first installment of LOTR stands on it's own as a brilliant movie.
If TPM is designed not to work until after Episodes II and III, then why didn't Lucas wait until AFTER he made II and III to release TPM? Doesn't make very much sense, does it? Your arguments are weak and illogical.
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My arguments are PERFECTLY logical, thanks; yours, on the other hand, don't seem to have had any thought put into them at all.
GL has plainly stated thatr he sees these as elongated movies broken down into parts, not seperate events. Much like book chapters. The new 'story' is not finished until Ep. iii is done, and then TPM will link in far better. He has done it like this because hw KNOWS he is getting all three films.
It would be dumb to release TPM after the others- utterly dumb. It would just mean that ep. ii made little sense. Nice one.
Meanwhile, there are a LOT of peoplew who, not having had the benefit of reading the books, think that FOTR did not work in the slightest as a standalone movie.
And the Hobbit barely set-up LOTR at all, with only the Ring (unidentified) and some of the characters in common.
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Huh? It think I should know better than you when I'm being sarcastic! What, you want me to start telling you when you're ready for your next bowl movement?
Actually I think it would be hilarious if we found out that Palpatine knocked up Schmi from a one-night stand. It would make Anakin's mother a ****! Even cooler would be if Palpatine used the force to woo Schmie into bed, and then kicked her ass out on the cold, hard floor when he was done with her, "you can leave now, my young *****, you're dry pussy is no match for using the dark side of the force to masturbate!"
After all, TPM is supposed to be FUNNY, that's your argument, right? Well if so then make it funny. I didn't laugh at all during TPM, and I've never seen anyone who did.
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First you say that TPM will work better after Episodes II and III, then you say it would be dumb to release it after II and III? That doesn't make any sense. If the movie isn't any good until after we see II and III, then why bother watching it BEFORE seeing II and III? You're logic is weak, boy.
Odd that you would care one way or the other about TPM. If you liked it that's fine, just don't pat yourself on the back for having good taste in movies. You obviously can't separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to movies. That's ok, you're probably good at something else.
As for the hobbit, you need some schooling on that one, boy. The Hobbit is the introduction to the entire LOTR universe. Maybe you don't read much but that's a fact, plain and simple. If you disagree then you may as well argue that the sky isn't blue.
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I'm still waiting for someone too explain why the origin of Darth Sideous isn't important enough to the Star Wars universe to be explained in TPM.
After all, we are told that everything we learned about the Force from the OT is wrong, that it's nothing more than a quantifiable genetic trait. If THAT needed explaining, then surely one of the most influential characters in the entire Star Wars saga could have been explained?
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Again, my logic is fine. Your reading of it is weak.
TPM WILL work better with the other two movies finished. But that does NOT mean that it is only relevant once the other two are done. In fact, it HAS to happen first for us to be properly able to watch and appreciate the othee two, which will in turn allow us to appreciate the VITAL role of TPM. Clear?
If TPM was released afterwards, quite aside from the organisational problems, we would have two ffilms, th impact of which would make very little sense until TPM came out, which is an insane way around to do it. As it is, we have something that grows and makes more sense as time goes by in a logical way. Easy enough.
I like TPM, and I consider myself to have a fine taste in movies, and I am certainly not arrogant enough to make a comment like you have done about me just because of a person's taste in films. You need to be a little more accepting of others/
And I am a MASSIVE Tolkien fan, thank you very much., I think you will foind thar Tolkien himself siad that the purpose of the Hobbit was NOT to set-up LOTR. If anything, that is the job of the Simarillion. When you know what the hell you are talking about, feel free to get back to me.
The Hobiit is simply a story that occurs earlier, with only a vague linking into the LOTR plotline.
Meanwhile, you have COMPLETELY mewssed up in saying that the Force is an identifiable genetic trait. That is NOT true. What IS true is that people who are strong in the Force attract high levels of midi-chlorians, and thusly that this is a a way to detect someone's force potential.
And Sidious' origins are simply NOT that important to the story; not in the slightest. Get over it.
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i believe certain enigmas are important for a plot to be interesting...
enigmas make plots controversial...controversial plots make different points of view...different points of view make a story richer.
starwars has some enigmas: anakinīs father...dagobahīs cave dark side...and of course palpatine/sidious beginnings as a sith.
those enigmas i like, and i like them to exist, they donīt trouble me, on the other hand they make me more sure about how GL takes his time when he writes his stories. believe he knows what he is doing.
thats also true
ush if someone finds it interesting they have the right to do so. we have understood you believe it isnīt and thats a right you have also.
TPM was good on it's own. It doesn't need Episode II and II to make it better.
Sidious's origins may not ever be known. But it is far to early to know for sure. At this point we have no idea what Lucas has in store for us. I do know that it is nothing that has ever been discussed in these forums.
Nice to see Bantha again... and nice to read that he is still whining about TPM...
My little advise: Let Helmet and Bantha to kill each other alone, bring the popcorn and enjoy the show... Both of them used to be irritating in the way they post their ideas, so let them do, and laugh out loud!
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For the Empire, against the rebel alliance.
"Good" is a point of view...The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way.
the expanded universe is just complementary and some times it isnīt even complementary, sometimes is just "inspired by starwars universe" literature and games.
u should never think eu explains starwars. the movies by themselves are made to be self-explained and what it isnīt explained in the movies it is not essential to be explained.
like ush has said the palpatine backround story could be interesting but it isnīt essential to starwars. so the other eu stories.
ill just give u one good reason why you should not pay so much attention to the eu: is not George Lucasīstuff; it is only based and inspired by GLīs stuff. which i donīt find very powerful. maybe entertaining and fun, but not that meaningful.
eu may sometimes be contradicted by original GL quotes and even the movies. for example: bobbaīs origins.
You can't really blame EU authors for giving wrong stories...when they wrote them there was nothing to contradict them...I got the impression that there wasn't anyone checking the whole continuity thing until early 90's......
BTW EU comics could be used to explain all Bantha's ques........
Well, I found out MAYBE how Palpy got access to the darkside.
No one is quite sure how Palpatine was first introduced to the power of the dark side. He is the most powerful practitioner of the Sith ways in modern times. He studied the ancient ruins on the Sith mausoleum world of Korriban. He unlocked secrets of the Force from a captured Jedi Holocron. The dark side energies flowing through Palpatine's body were so intense, that they ravaged his mortal frame. The very source of Palpatine's strength was killing him.
I got that off the Official Site, and usually they only release relevant stuff. And GL has been looking towards EU now. Maul's double-bladed lightsaber came from the EU about one the Sith Lords, Exar Kun, who had a double-bladed lightsaber that was blue.
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Rex, be assured that GL does not look to the EU for inspiration at all. Trying to link Kun to Maul is a pointless exercise; Maul was originally created using two sabres, and in any case, a dobule-bladed sabre is hardly the most obscure thing to think up so just because the EU had used it ias well it does not mean GL borrowed the idea from the EU, any more than he took the force pushes used in TPM from the Jedi Knight games!
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Apr 26th, 2002 07:38 PM
and nice to read that he is still whining about TPM... 
