All of them are among the most powerful Jedi of the Order:-
From official loading screen of SWTOR game:-
MASTER TOL BRAGA has gathered a team of the galaxy's most powerful Jedi. Their goal: find the Emperor's hidden fortress, infiltrate its defenses, capture the Emperor and bring him back to the Jedi Order.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia:-
With Grand Master Satele Shan's support, Master Braga assembles a strike team of the strongest and most resolute Jedi in the order. Their goal is to pinpoint the Emperor's hidden fortress, capture the Sith leader alive, and turn him to the light side.
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Some information about Hero of Tython, at the time of this confrontation:-
Accolades earned:
One of the strongest padawans the Jedi have seen in generations. (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
"Your former Masters praise your combat skills. They say you're becoming an expert duelist." – Knight Wellun, at the start of the game.
"You held off all these attackers by yourself with only a practice saber? Impressive." Master Orgus Din
"The Force is strong in you. Stronger than I've seen in decades." Orgus Din.
"You are stronger than any Jedi I have known" - Fallen Jedi Hero Bengal Morr after his defeat.
"There's nothing else I can teach you." – Jedi Master Orgus Din
NOTE: The aforementioned accolades received during before Knighthood.
"I sense your power. Now I understand why Tarnis was no match for you..... Such skill. So much power. Impressive." – Sith Lord Praven
"You are strong and touched by darkness. That is unexpected. An advantage? Possibly." – Emperor's Wrath
"You are the Jedi's finest." – Emperor's Wrath
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Notable victories:
01. Bengel Morr (Fallen Jedi who survived Sacking of Coruscant event and single-handedly jeopardized the safety of Jedi Order on Tython)
02. Sith Lord Tarnis
03. Sith Lord Sadic (Augmented by cybernetic implants under Power Guard program)
04. Valis (Child of the Emperor)
05. Sith Lord Praven (One of the greatest warriors of the Empire, defeated several notable Jedi in confrontations including one of the best)
06. Sand Demons (The most dangerous creatures on Tatooine, apex predators that could take on a Krayt Dragon and slaughter it)
07. Sith Lord Nefarid (The Sith Lord utilized an orbital superlaser weapon during the confrontation against the Jedi. This weapon was one-shot killer and used in a superweapons program)
08. Darth Angral (One of the most powerful Sith of the Empire; slaughtered Jedi Master Orgus Din in a confrontation)
09. Kira Karsen (Child of the Emperor, when activated by Emperor)
10. Emperor's Wrath (One of the most powerful Sith of the Empire and a member of Emperor's powerbase; one of the greatest warriors of the Empire with over a 1000 Jedi and Sith kill count)
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Hero of Tython was among the most powerful Jedi of the Order in its history with apparently unparalleled martial prowess, even as of this point. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that this Jedi alone can handle some of the greatest warriors of the Jedi and Sith throughout history, an assessment shared by Emperor's Wrath himself who have history of working with the greatest Jedi heroes Revan and Meetra.
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Now some information about Tol Braga:-
This Jedi Master had defeated a Dark Council member in a confrontation (Sith Lord Sajjar) in an extremely lengthy confrontation and he gave Hero of Tython a good fight later on whilst under influence of Emperor. Very good resume, keeping in mind how good Hero of Tython actually is.
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As for others, one of them happened to be a legendary warrior much like Hero of Tython prior to COLD WAR witnessed in the game and could read the minds of other individuals (Warren Sedoru). The other one also had never failed in a mission before. Not much else is known about these two but both are counted among the best of the Order.
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LOSS:
Now, despite such an impressive and imposing resume, this Jedi Strike Team failed to subdue Emperor Vitiate. So shall we assume that the Strike Team was lacking or shall we concentrate on the bigger picture? I suggest the latter.
From Star Wars: The Old Republic: Coded Entry titled "The Emperor's Fallen Jedi"):-
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen. His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred. The Emperor can wither and ruin even the strongest Jedi's connection to the light side. Jedi Master Tol Braga’s strike team was not the first group to succumb to the Sith leader’s oppressive influence. Hundreds of years ago, the Jedi Revan and Malak discovered Dromund Kaas and confronted the Emperor. They fell to the dark side and returned to Republic space as Sith Lords. Since then, dozens more Jedi have followed the same path into evil.
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As apparent from the aforementioned codex entry, legendary Jedi heroes Revan and Malak failed to subdue Emperor Vitiate as well:
Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
The legendary Jedi Revan and Malak confront the Sith Emperor in his throne room on Dromund Kaas. In mere moments, the Jedi lay defeated and consumed by the dark side of the Force.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Both Revan and Malak were battle-hardened warriors as of this point. In-fact, Revan was the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy or perhaps history as of this point:
In battle after battle, Revan had led the Jedi and Republic forces to victory. Realizing defeat was inevitable, Mandalore the Ultimate had challenge Revan to single combat, and Revan had accepted. Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
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Not, just the above, but a Sith Strike Team also attempted to eliminate Emperor Vitiate earlier and failed:
During a violent tempest, Darth Lokess called a secret meeting of her eleven fellow Dark Council members. Under the cover of night, the Dark Council met and heard Darth Lokess describe a brilliant and daring plan to overthrow the Sith Emperor, end his relentless exile, and lead the Empire back to war against the Republic. An army of Sith under the command of Darth Lokess were stationed outside the meeting, ready to slay any Dark Council member who refused. But they all agreed to depose the Emperor.
It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.
A new council was immediately appointed to replace the traitors. The Emperor had made his point: his will was absolute, and none would oppose him. And though this was not the last time the council would defy the Emperor, his lesson would humble the Empire and its Sith leaders for centuries to come.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
NOTE: These weren't ordinary Sith but members of the Dark Council.
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CONCLUSION
What I gather from this is that Emperor's sorcery is apparently impossible to counter for the majority of the individuals of the mythos. Only two Jedi managed to develop a counter-measure against a single aspect of sorcery of Emperor but not without prior bad experience.
None of the Strike Teams had been lacking in power and competence. They may theoretically be able to succeed in any offensive mission and against any foe, but that Emperor's powers are not norm and not easy to defend against even with the best of conventional defensive approaches for the Jed and Sith.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 11th, 2015 at 02:48 PM
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I think the issue most have with them is that you take the quotes about them being the best and apply it to mean that they're up there with Satele, Gnost dural and other titans like those.
When in reality we simply don't know how good they are. For example, being the best of the order could be interpreted in many ways. It could mean top 1%, which in an order of 10,000 would only mean top 100. If we'd heard that Leeha Narez had beaten Satele in a sparring match we might think differently.
Hell, Warren sedoru remarks in the knight story when asked why he doesn't sort Balmorra himself, that he is not a warrior. He was taken because he had the schematics they needed, and was a tech expert. Leeha Narez was taken simply because she we involved on Hoth.
All in all, one statement doesn't put them up there with the B team or even the strike team Revan faced.
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The quotes do not seem to imply "among" the best, they seem to imply that they "are" the best. Recheck them.
I am just being lenient in my judgment.
Jedi are not known to boast about themselves. They are self-less.
Even if I give your argument the benefit of doubt, official disclosures still positions Sedoru and Narezz very high in the echelon of power and/or competence within the Jedi Order. Also, SWTOR game is not very good at demonstrating the power of characters. As an example, Darth Decimus came off just like a normal boss in the game while he is (officially) among the greatest warriors of the Empire.
Also, all of them managed to fight through the defenses of the space station and reach Emperor's position just fine. None perished.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jan 11th, 2015 at 06:01 PM
the misconception is that they were actually good warriors
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1. HOT : Thought by some to be the best Jedi alive, defeated Darth Angral and his apprentices, and was more/less evenly matched with Scourge.
2. Tol Bragga : Is one of the strongest and most resolute Jedi Masters, and at one point pacified a Dark Councillor without killing him.
3. Leeha Narezz : One of the most powerful Jedi around, was said to have never known failure.
4. Warren Sendoru : Was one of the Order's greatest warriors, but is hampered by old injuries from the Cold War, and his strength in the Force diminishes with age.
Although the quest text states the Hero and Scourge drew (or "fought to a standstill"), I still think it more important that Scourge was on his knees, unarmed before her. Also Scourge was fresh, while the HoT had just fought through the fortress. So she's his better in my eyes at least.
Jan 11th, 2015 02:35 PM
