I don't think Maul can deal with Obalisk Bane but otherwise he has a good shot. Powerscaling alone means that by TCW Maul should undoubtedly be stronger than Bane.
In DOE Cognus has the inherent(and novel at the time) ability to blunt another person's connection to the Force. It gives Bane serious trouble in a fight and makes Cognus worthy of being considered for apprenticeship by both Bane and Zannah.
Maul used that power against Obi-Wan on Naboo, and didn't make a big deal out of it("behold my trump card..."). Which shows the ROT was achieving its purpose. What was considered a great gift for earlier Banites was par the course for latter Banites.
It's mentioned in the TPM junior novel and in his Episode I: Journal that care around the time TPM was released. And in some other source I can't remember, where Obi-Wan is giving a briefing to the Council about his encounter with Maul.
It seems like it's interchangeable with clouding his mind, as opposed to outright affecting Obi-Wan's Force connection. That makes sense, considering Dooku did the same to Obi-Wan in Geonosis in AotC.
This is a basic part of lightsaber combat in Bane's era, as described in PoD:
"Bane had worked on acquiring that physical skill over the past months. As this ability grew, he was able to devote less and less of his mental energy to the physical actions of thrust, parry, and counterthrust. This allowed him to keep his mind focused so he could use the Force to anticipate his opponent's moves, while at the same time obscuring and confusing his enemy's own precognitive senses."
If anything, that this is seen as a big deal by Obi-Wan, supposedly one of the best Jedi duelists even at that point, whereas even trainee Bane facing Fohargh can pull it off just shows how shitty PT Jedi are and that they've lost basic combat knowledge compared to Bane's era.
And powerscaling doesn't work with Maul. He was never a sucessful member of the RoT (or anything else, for that matter). You cannot scale him against Bane save for their feats.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Nov 24th, 2016 at 10:24 PM
Lolwut? He literally says he's obscuring his opponents precog, lmao. Mindgames my ass.
Just because it says he was diminishing their ability to use the Force doesn't mean it was anything other than their precognitive abilities. Just like how Mace says the Jedi's ability to use the force had diminished, seemingly only referring to their precognitive and sensory abilities. Hell, wasn't this around the time Lumphead and Sheev unbalanced the Force anyway? Weakening the Jedi's precog? The text ILS posted directly states what was diminished and it was only Obi-Wan's precog. Identical to what Bane was doing against Fohargh.
Cognus' ability was on a completely other level and was actively blunting all force use around her. Something Maul has never achieved.
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Last edited by Nephthys on Nov 24th, 2016 at 10:43 PM
Nothing like being purposely obtuse as a debating tactic...
Both quotes literally say that their use of the Force is affected. It's literally spelled out for you. You're just bending over backwards not to accept it.
Now you're implying that it was Sidious and Plagueis' ritual that was actually responsible.
So let me get this straight: you're suggesting that the two of the most powerful Sith engaged in an unprecedented ritual to unbalance the Force and suffuse the galaxy with the Dark side and all they achieved what every mook apprentice in Bane's time learned in his first weeks?
I'm quite sure I'm more tuse to the situation than you, my friend.
Yes, their use of the Force is indeed affected. In the case of Cognus, all force use was blunted and its applications are limited. In the case of Maul, it directly states what was affected: His precognition. Just like in the case of Bane vs Fohargh.
Like I said, just because it says Obi-Wans force powers were diminished doesn't mean all of them were. As I pointed out, Mace Windu says the exact same thing while only referring to Jedi foresight and sensory abilities. Since Obi-Wan directly explains that it was his precognition that was affected, I'm not entirely sure how you could possibly say that it was anything but that with a straight face.
I'm not suggesting it. That's what canonically happened. Granted, I'm probably giving it too much credit, I don't recall it ever being proven to have actually affected combat precog instead of merely foresight of the future, but whatever I'm feeling charitable. In truth its fairly likely that they achieved less than what Trainee Bane could.
However, I'm more than willing to go the other way on this. So please explain to me exactly how Sidious and Plagueis' ritual benefited Maul in all of his fights, that he wouldn't have against Bane.
Wouldn't that make all of Mauls showings invalid or something?
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Last edited by Nephthys on Nov 24th, 2016 at 11:19 PM
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