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Where do you rank these characters in terms of combat speed?
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Stigma
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Where do you rank these characters in terms of combat speed?

How do you rank the following characters in terms of combat speed?

Rank them in order 1-10 from the fastest to the slowest in terms of combat speed.


In no particual order:

- General Grievous
- DoE Bane
- RotS Anakin
- SF Malak
- Ulic
- Valkorion
- Plagueis
- Yoda
- Kit Fisto
- Coleman Trebor
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The Ellimist
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From fastest to slowest:

Yoda
Anakin
Plagueis
General Grievous
SF Malak
DoE Bane
Ulic
Valkorion
Kit Fisto
Coleman Trebor


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Stigma
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Yeah, pretty much my list. thumb up I am torn between Fisto and Valkorion switching places tbh.
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bane is legit the slowest here lol.
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wtf why is Fisto so low? this dude is so underrated it's a joke

1. Yoda
2/3. RotS Anakin / Plagueis
4/5. Kit Fisto / Grievous
6/7. Ulic Qel-Droma / SF Malak
8. Valkorion
9. DoE Bane
10. Coleman Trebor


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- RotS Anakin
- Valkorion
- Yoda
- Plagueis
- SF Malak
- Ulic
- DoE Bane
- Kit Fisto
- Coleman Trebor

Not sure where to put Grievous.


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What speed feats put Valkorion above the likes of Yoda/Plagueis etc?
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I haven't been that interested in speed feats since 2013.


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I see.
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I haven't seen a convincing argument on why combat power and speed shouldn't be directly correlated

I need further elaboration of ILS' example of Durron. I don't recall Durron ever fighting with his powers unleashed. Before Kun, he had yet to unlock his raw power After Kun, he intentionally curbed his power as stated in NJO.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I haven't seen a convincing argument on why combat power and speed shouldn't be directly correlated

Malgus was slower than Aryn Leneer, but I think you would agree that he was more powerful than her. TPM Kenobi was also faster than Qui-Gon, and again, I don't think you'd disagree that Qui-Gon was more powerful than Kenobi at that point.

Food for thought.
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thumb up


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Originally posted by Sirion_Of_Doom
Malgus was slower than Aryn Leneer, but I think you would agree that he was more powerful than her. TPM Kenobi was also faster than Qui-Gon, and again, I don't think you'd disagree that Qui-Gon was more powerful than Kenobi at that point.

Food for thought.


Oh? Apparently you drank too much crocodile semen again and your feeble brain forgot the beatdown I gave to you here about how TPM Obi-Wan is not faster than Qui-Gon without any sort of rage amplification.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
- RotS Anakin
- Valkorion
- Yoda
- Plagueis
- SF Malak
- Ulic
- DoE Bane
- Kit Fisto
- Coleman Trebor

Not sure where to put Grievous.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Azronger
Oh? Apparently you drank too much crocodile semen again and your feeble brain forgot the beatdown I gave to you

+10 for creativity

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Azronger
about how TPM Obi-Wan is not faster than Qui-Gon without any sort of rage amplification.


This is the exact quote:

quote:
The Phantom Menace
But Obi-Wan, while not so experienced as Qui-Gon, was quicker. Anticipating each blow, he was able to elude his antagonist's efforts to bring him down.


Nowhere does the text state that Obi-Wan is slower than Qui-Gon without his rage amp, nor does it suggest that his rage amp is instrumental to him being faster than Qui-Gon. To my point, the way that the text ''compares'' him to Qui-Gon - his masters experience against his own speed, indicates that these are simply advantages that they are used to having over each other. Then rage!Kenobi's superior performance against Maul, compared to Qui-Gon, is justified by his advantage (speed) being more important compared to Qui-Gon's advantage (experience).

I guess, to address that part of your post;

quote:
Az, in the thread he linked
I didn’t miss it; I simply elected to ignore it because I didn’t think it worth including as it reveals nothing about the fight that is relevant.


That said, Leneer was still faster than Malgus in Deceived, so your original point is moot regardless.
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Respond to me in the actual thread, not here.


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Originally posted by Azronger
Respond to me in the actual thread, not here.

Too late. But feel free to not respond, you're not obliged to. I'm not particularly interested in continuing that topic.
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Originally posted by Sirion_Of_Doom
Malgus was slower than Aryn Leneer, but I think you would agree that he was more powerful than her. TPM Kenobi was also faster than Qui-Gon, and again, I don't think you'd disagree that Qui-Gon was more powerful than Kenobi at that point.

Food for thought.

Jinn's a specific, inconsistent issue where sources associate his aging with a loss of speed, despite with what we know of Dooku and Sidious.

I imagine quotes exist stating Jinn moves faster than Obi-Wan, anyway.

I'm interested in the Malgus example, though. It may be because he prioritizes excess energy to strength, being a Sith Warrior. Care to elaborate?


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It may be because he prioritizes excess energy to strength, being a Sith Warrior.


[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Vitiate prioritizes things differently too, as I'm sure you know


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Sure, but he should instantly be able to prioritize to speed if need-be.

That's how Force Speed (shown in TPM) presumably works. A Jedi devotes all power to speed for a short burst.

Using Force Speed in battle is likely more harmful than helpful, but devoting enough energy to, say, dodge Maul is within his capabilities.

Although it should be noted Revan has employed Force Speed in combat, so Vitiate might too as well, lol.


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