So TPM Anakin is faster than TPM Maul, because, according to your own made-up system, he has more Force energy? Midi-chlorian count has nothing to do with how much energy one person can devote to something. And again, I ask you to explain, with logic and evidence, the difference between speed and any other power, like Force drain, telekinesis, and so on, because this:
...is again unsupported speculation. You're making an awful lot of assumptions. That a Force push is connected to Force power but Force drain isn't is an entirely baseless opinion.
I get that you're trying to justify why Valkorion doesn't get shitstompblitzed by someone like Maul, but a much simpler and more logically fair argument, and to even follow your train of thought, would be that he is not faster than Maul simply because he is more powerful than him, but because it would make no sense that he, on the basis of being one of the most powerful characters in the mythos, would not have devoted time to master a very basic Force technique (speed) to a very high level. To support this point, if Valkorion was this slow, then he would simply have gotten blitzed long before. And so on.
I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.
You're arguing that Aryn is faster than Malgus on the basis that her style of fighting prioritizes speed more than his style of fighting does. Then again I say, the exact same parallel can be drawn between Anakin and Qui-Gon, yet Anakin is much faster.
Presumably, as a Force user matures, more midichlorians because accessible (hence why I said "combat applicable).
This line-of-reasoning explains why Anakin isn't the Father-tier in power when we meet him in TPM.
You don't need to be trained to use Force push. Force drain is a technique that demands teaching and mastery to utilize.
I've opposed the idea that Force augmentation is skill-based since StarWarsForums where you used comic speed blurs to argue character X is faster than character Y. This has nothing to do with Valkorion.
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It might be beneficial for me to write a full post explaining how I view it (with quotes from sources and whatnot) rather than gradually revealing relevant points when addressed that might appear out-of-nowhere to people who are still stuck in the skill = power mindset of the earlier 2010s.
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More assumptions with no basis. You also basically did not address any of my points. Since when were midi-chlorians the equivalent of advent calendars that open at a certain time? Again, they have zero relevance to Force energy/skill until the mastery is there.
Because, to use your words, he hadn't ''matured'' yet. He was untrained with no skill and mastery, only slight instinctive ability.
Because Force drain is a more difficult and rare, less instinctive technique than a simple Force push. A Force push is telekinesis. Telekinesis is a Force technique that demands mastery to be good with it. Just like Force drain.
Good to see that my influence is strong as ever. I feel your anger, tho.
This is actually a case for Maul, because it lends credence to the notion that augmentation is more closely correlated to raw potential than other Force abilities are, and Maul's potential apparently rivals Palpatine's, which is clearly above Vitiate's by your own rankings.
Regardless, just because augmentation is easier to pick up on a superficial level doesn't mean it's easy to master, e.g. when training Bane Kas'im spent a large amount of time trying to explain to him how to harness the dark side for dueling properly - it wasn't merely technical skill and "grow generally in power".
I fail to see how Vitiate can't be the polar opposite of Lsu.
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As I said, I have midterms this week and it wasn't really my intention to spark a multi-page debate against multiple debaters. I'll respond after studying (depending on the time), but if not tomorrow (given I remember - if not, reminder me, but regardless this topic will likely work its way into the Revan vs Vader debate anyway).
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The logic inherently contradicts itself. Valkorion, based on feats and accolades, is more powerful than Kit Fisto, and therefore faster than him. But Kit Fisto, based on feats and accolades is faster than Valkorion, and therefore more powerful than him... what?
We see Obi-Wan in Lone Wolf run upwards of 600 km/hr. and it's implied that he's running at supersonic speeds, and we've seen Mace run seemingly similarly quickly on the battle of Dantooine. And Sarasu deflected a blaster bolt in the span of a nano-second. We've not seen speed feats of these kinds from users like Sidious, Vitiate, Krayt, Exar Kun, and so on. So, speed doesn't really seem to have as much to do with power as it does with those who can hone their skills.
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