Also Denki, the fights may look primitive in this day and age, but at least they look like they are fighting, rather than dancing.
I have given my reasons, and I think I'm right. Trying to work the story around the dated technology is, especially years after it has been accepted, sloppy, no matter how you look at it.
If Lucas just attempted to make the PT consistent with the OT, we wouldn't even have this problem.
How the hell Lucas thought he'd get away with backflipping, spinning, dancing, super-jumping almost flying Jedi in the PT is beyond me. Consistency is key, and Lucas threw that out of the window in favour of having flashier fights teetering on Matrix-like stupidity.
Just because he has the means to accomplish what he WANTS, doesn't mean he SHOULD.
i thought vader's fighting style was different than how he fought in the PT, but i thought it was due to his age being old in the OT.
i aslo noticed that lukes fighting style looked to unorthadox; it looked like anyone can pick up a lightsaber and wave it around the way luke did in the OT fighting scenes, but i realized that luke learned the way of the jedi late in his age for trainning. Normally, a swordsman would have a fighting style that looks graceful like the jedis in the PT; i think it looked that way because of the sabertrainning being tought at an early age rather than lukes trainning which was done at an older age. if what i think is true, then that is the reason GL did the PT fighting scenes different than the OT fighting scenes.
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The reason Lucas has these fast paced fights is befre he is showing us the glory days of the jedi. When Luke learned to fight, nobody taught him to duel. He did it by his self. I like the flashy fights because theya re fast paced and amazing.
Nobody's really knocking that explanation. Luke is inexperienced, he's had a couple month's of training. 'Course hes gonna be unskilled. I agree with Superfly, its too bad he created this situation in the first place, but now that he has, he has to update Obi and Vader's fight, because old or not, they KNOW how to fight. And Dooku moved a bit so they can too, no flipping though, just at least look like you're fighting. But the Luke/Vader fights don't NEED rationalizing, Luke's inexperienced, and Vader isn't TRYING to kill him, he's trying to TURN him. ANH is the only one that needs an update since it, unfortunately, as Super has pointed out, just doesn't make sense anymore, and no rationalizing THAT one fight can excuse "sloppy" film making. (good term there Super, that sums it up perfectly).
Ep IV: Vader is easily walking circles around Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan knows this, as does Vader "Your powers are weak old man". Obi-Wan gives up before we even see a fight actually start. There was never any need for Lucas to come up with "its between a cripple and an old man", the on screen explanation was enough.
Ep. V: Vader is again, toying with his opponent. He doesn't need to do anything special.
Ep VI: Luke gets to Vader as much as Vader gets to Luke. When Vader is surprised by Luke and attacked, he has trouble fighting back. It shows how confused Vader is - and to be honest, Vader wanted Luke to beat the crap out of him anyway, so either explanation will do here
I mean, there's no need to UPDATE any of them. The story makes it clear about what is going on. The charm about the original trilogy is that the opponents never face off just for the hell of it, and theres a damn good reason for them to pull out their sabers and start a duel.
I was merely suggesting Lucas recognised or at least acknowledged his original films, instead of making lame excuses after he breaks the inconsistency. If he was smart, he would realise there was no need to make any excuses at all. But he doesn't care about consistency, and this is proof. He wants whatever reason he can lay his hands on to have his new Jedi flipping and twirling in flashy CGI, looking absolutely out of key with the Star Wars that was established over twenty years ago.
Still, you wouldn't want the fight in ANH to at least look a little intense? It doesn't have any tension as it currently stands, not like we need, especially now that we KNOW their back grounds. Vader does want to toy with Kenobi, show off a bit before he kills him, but we need to see it, we need some angry moves to go with the angry dialogue, not this pansy barely hitting with enough force (the physical property, not the other one) to move an empty carton of milk.
Although I think it would be a good idea, to do up the Kenobi-Vader fight, I'd still be a bit annoyed at Lucas for making it come to that.
Lucas would have made the Trilogy so inconsistent that he would have to go back and re-re-edit the OT yet again. How many more fans would he piss off doing that? Not only that, but he'd be messing with a risky scene. Very dodgy.
Ever heard of the phrase "polishing a diamond into dust"? Somehow I don't think Lucas has.
And for me personally, if Lucas has to re-edit ANH's duel, it will be simply telling everyone he has slightly failed at creating a trilogy that compliments the originals. I mean his plan is to have them all as one saga 1-6. It just doesn't fit. Instead of complimenting the originals, they are re-writing them. I hope it doesn't come to re-editting the OT, what a shame that would be. I don't think any good film has deserved to be re-editted, cut and chewed up, especially a film as widely appreciated as Star Wars.
Lucas could have so easily avoided this mistake if he didn't screw around with visual effects and characters like a kid in a sweet shop.
All he had to do was look at the originals, and what looked at what worked for them. Maybe even (shock!) ask the odd fan, rather than the slobbering fanboys and base a major character (Jango Fett for instance) on nothing more than media lust and hype.
It's a sad state of affairs when looking at chopping up the originals is the only way the saga could work. It could have been avoided so easily.
I still watch the PT, don't get me wrong, it has it's moments where you can see the old Star Wars flame, if only fleetingly, before it gets smothered with CGI or one of Jar Jars "hilarious" antics.
he doesn't say Luke either, he says "No, I am your father". Shows how much you BOTH know star wars! its the answer to the statement, "he told me enough, he told me you killed him".
Wow, that was good! I actually like a lot of the new effects, that doesn't bother me, its a different story, its okay if it looks a bit different. But certain things, things that run into the OT, like jedi rules for example, definietly should have been more closely linked to the OT.
Apr 8th, 2005 03:43 PM
HI EVERYBODY
shows how much you love your star wars.
its the answer to the statement, "he told me enough, he told me you killed him".
